# Kwame just resign please **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2008, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798 "2008-03-26T15:29:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/1 "2008-03-26T15:29:41Z")
Detroits’ mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was in front of the judge yesterday. He is charged with counts of perjury, obstruction etc. [Breitbart News Network](http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8VJSSFO6&show_article=1) Heres a story on it. I do not believe that he can govern any more. The case rests on text messages that surfaced and showed that he and his Chief of staff Beatty lied in court about having an affair. Misuse of public funds and obstruction is also charged. Kwame’s atty Webb says he will fight the texts that have surfaced via the Freedom of Information Act through the papers. The text of the messages has been printed in the papers and the internets. Even if the case goes down with the possible suppression of the messages ,they have already been in the public domain. So how can he govern? The people of Detroit know what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/2 "2008-03-26T15:35:30Z")
He still insists he didn’t lie about anything. I guess he’s going to insist that he and his secretary liked to exchange steamy e-mails as a sort of joke and that IRL they would never DREAM of actually physically getting together. Well, it’ll all play out soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/3 "2008-03-26T15:38:04Z")
He’s a real embarrassment to the region, not just the city. I, too, wish he’d step down. I think he’s the first mayor ever to use the word “nigger” in his State of the City address. He’s a douche, an ass, a liar, a weasel, and a lousy human being if he continues to fight this and claim he’s the victim. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/4 "2008-03-26T15:46:56Z")
and to those who aren’t regional and don’t know all the details, the issue isn’t really “did they have an affair”. The issue began when the Detroit police attempted to investigate allegations of wild parties at the mayor’s mansion among a long laundry list of stuff. Kwame then got involved and cops got fired. They sued in a wrongful termination /whistle blower case, which the city just settled, costing the tax payers huge bucks. The testimony involved was in that suit. Their (his and his chief of staff/lover) alledged lies are part of the coverup (it’s always the coverup that gets you) to the wrongful termination. So, essentially, the police were attempting to investigate allegations of corruption, they got fired, and in court, Kwame et al lied about their activities. He’s saying he’ll be ‘vindicated’, but IIRC, his lawyer was hanging the hat on ‘wrongfully obtained evidence’. Some of the pundits I’ve read have predicted that many lawyers will lose their licenses over this one. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/5 "2008-03-26T15:57:32Z")
[QUOTE=wring] The issue began when the Detroit police attempted to investigate allegations of wild parties at the mayor’s mansion [/QUOTE] I am not from the region. Why would the police investigate allegations of wild parties? Are wild parties illegal in Detroit? Were there allegations of drugs or illegal activities at these parties? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/6 "2008-03-26T16:03:48Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] I am not from the region. Why would the police investigate allegations of wild parties? Are wild parties illegal in Detroit? Were there allegations of drugs or illegal activities at these parties? [/QUOTE] there were allegations of misuse of public funds. and a dead stripper. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/7 "2008-03-26T16:06:42Z")
Why is there always a dead stripper? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/8 "2008-03-26T16:09:58Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] Why would the police investigate allegations of wild parties? Are wild parties illegal in Detroit? Were there allegations of drugs or illegal activities at these parties? [/QUOTE] First of all, the mayor’s mansion is city property, and as such ought to be treated as a public space. A party with strippers on the grounds, with members of the mayor’s protection detail participating while on the clock, wouldn’t do. There was then considerable evidence that the mayor conspired to have the investigation of this event quashed. Throw in the murder of one of the strippers at the party, and it turns into a huge mess. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/9 "2008-03-26T16:11:04Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] Why is there always a dead stripper? [/QUOTE] I’ll bet Spitzer is wondering the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/10 "2008-03-26T16:22:52Z")
Rev’s. Sharpton and Jackson in this? Seems like they ough to have something to say! ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/11 "2008-03-26T16:34:07Z")
It is black prosecutors 'Kym Worthy and staff against the black mayor. Color does not enter. The only white man is Kwame’s high priced lawyer Dan Webb. Sharpton and Jackson are unlikely to weigh in. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Dave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/46a35a/32.png) [@Great\_Dave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Dave)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/12 "2008-03-26T16:37:51Z")
Isn’t there also something in the texts about the chief of staff tipping off a friend about city contracts? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/13 "2008-03-26T16:42:55Z")
[QUOTE=Ponder Stibbons] He still insists he didn’t lie about anything. I guess he’s going to insist that he and his secretary liked to exchange steamy e-mails as a sort of joke and that IRL they would never DREAM of actually physically getting together. Well, it’ll all play out soon enough. [/QUOTE] He lied in court about the affair. Both he and Beatty denied the affair on the stand until the lawyer for the police showed up at court with transcripts of the text messages. Then they settled the case for 8.4 mill. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/14 "2008-03-26T16:53:47Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] I do not believe that he can govern any more. [/QUOTE] Any more? The guys been a disaster and a crook since he was elected. He’s never been able to govern. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/15 "2008-03-26T17:43:06Z")
Oddly the population of Detroit think he has been doing a good job. I do not know what they are keying in on. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/16 "2008-03-26T18:23:33Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] Throw in the murder of one of the strippers at the party, and it turns into a huge mess. [/QUOTE] To be most accurate, the dancer (Tamara Greene) was killed in a suspicious drive-by shooting months after the party. She was in a vehicle with her boyfriend who was not killed, even after the shooter’s vehicle doubled back to the vehicle of the dancer. By then she’d been shot dead and the shooters didn’t shoot again. There are reports that Mrs. Mayor came home early to the party and slapped said dancer around when seen dancing ‘up on’ Mr. Mayor. I concur, as a former Detroiter, that he should pack his bags and move up to Ionia for the next 15 years or so and grant Carlita a quiet divorce. The sham is over, Kwame. You just know Freman Hendrix is gobsmacked that he lost to such a snake. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/17 "2008-03-26T18:53:29Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] Oddly the population of Detroit think he has been doing a good job. I do not know what they are keying in on. [/QUOTE] My guess would be the racist crap that he spouts and the racist policies he follows. It seems to have struck a chord with the voters in Detroit. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/18 "2008-03-26T19:04:37Z")
[QUOTE=Happy Lendervedder] I think he’s the first mayor ever to use the word “nigger” in his State of the City address. [/quote] He did WHAT? In what context? ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/19 "2008-03-26T19:09:51Z")
Hopefully not referring to himself as now the HNIC I hope? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveroptic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiveroptic/32/8257_2.png) [@Fiveroptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveroptic)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798/20 "2008-03-26T19:16:13Z")
The continued support from Detroiters, that’s what really gets to me about this. WWJ asked people if they still supported Mayor Kilpatrick and three out of four that were aired defended him. I don’t get it, I really don’t. Are people so bamboozled by his youth and charisma that they’re blind to his corruption or is it that they _just don’t care_ because he’s youthful and charismatic? I’d like to think that the average Detroiter is smarter than this but the very fact that Kilpatrick was voted into a second term over Freeman Hendrix makes it obvious they aren’t. Last night a friend and I were discussing Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy’s role in this. Ms. Worthy is a black woman who is probably best recognized by most Detroiters as having been the lead prosecutor in the Malice Green murder trial in 1993. This was an extremely racially charged trial which led to the questionable conviction of two white Detroit police officers. The trial was aired live and obviously was the headline of every local news outlet for months, making Ms. Worthy a household name. The decision to charge Kilpatrick and Beatty was ultimately hers to make – or at least it is perceived that way – and I’m glad that it was Kym Worthy, a black prosecutor, who made that decision because I have this nagging feeling that sooner or later Mayor Kilpatrick is going to blame racism for his current troubles, just like he blamed racism for the whistleblower verdict: > [@Stephen Henderson of The Detroit News on Sept. 13](#): > > In August, 2007, Mr. Kilpatrick was sued by two ex-members of his bodyguard staff for violation of the Whistleblower Law. It was claimed that he fired them in retaliation for them investigating his personal actions. The trial ended on September 11, 2007, after 3 hours of jury deliberation in a verdict awarding the plaintiffs $6.5 million in damages. > > Minutes after the verdict for the trial came in, in an angry speech in front of City Hall, Kilpatrick blamed the “wrong verdict” on white suburbanite jurors. In a separate article, Kilpatrick is quoted as saying, “There’s race in this, and we run from it in this region. And I think it’s impossible for us to move forward as a region without confronting it head-on. But I don’t want what has happened in the past 24 months to be erased by what has happened in the last two days.” Race has absolutely nothing to do with Kilpatrick’s current legal problems but I’m still waiting for the blame to be placed. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kwame-just-resign-please/442798.md?page=2)