# KY governor's race **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 2, 2015, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217 "2015-10-02T06:23:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/21 "2015-11-04T14:08:07Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > There’s a melting pot? I thought liberals had gone more for multiculturalsm and rejected the melting pot. I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive. One pot can have many flavors that mix together and complement each other. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/22 "2015-11-04T14:09:43Z")
BTW, [predictit.org](http://predictit.org) has egg on its face. Last night bets were 78% for Conway. The pollsters also did a piss poor job with their likely voter model. The polls were off by 9 points. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/23 "2015-11-04T14:11:01Z")
Were there any polls that asked about all of the statewide races in one poll? I can find a few polls on the downballot races but none of the ones I saw asked about Conway and Bevin. It’d be interesting to see if the polls also had a substantial number of people choosing Matt Bevin but also Alison Lundergan Grimes and Andy Beshear, or if only Conway underperformed so badly. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/24 "2015-11-04T14:23:38Z")
Here’s the polls from the KY governors’ race: [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2015/governor/ky/kentucky\_governor\_bevin\_vs\_conway\_vs\_curtis-5692.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2015/governor/ky/kentucky_governor_bevin_vs_conway_vs_curtis-5692.html) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/25 "2015-11-04T15:27:03Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > What’s “traditional Americanism?” Eurocentrism. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/26 "2015-11-04T15:34:37Z")
No, we don’t like their ways either. Liberals, if anything, have a eurocentrism problem since they seem to think we should do things how they do it there. Strange that while liberals endorse multiculturalism, their idea of how governments should be run is so… white. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/27 "2015-11-04T17:29:15Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Don’t know why Democrats continue to do this. It doesn’t work. If you are a Democrat, you own the President’s record. Be proud of it. Aren’t almost all Democrats(a few like DerekMichael excepted) proud of the President’s record? Am I to seriously believe that Democratic politicians are far less likely to approve of him than the party’s voters? Everyone knows it’s a lie, so why bother pushing it? Fully agreed, running away from your own party/president is basically admitting the other party is right, how can that ever possibly help? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/28 "2015-11-04T17:39:44Z")
I don’t know if it’s admitting that the other party is right. There’s a place for centrist candidates who can run against both party establishments. You can do it if you have the record to back it up. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins pulled it off for a long time in Maine. Collins still does. I think that Joe Manchin also has that credibility for the Democrats. But for candidates with scant records it can be a lot tougher to convince voters. After all, if you are an independent type strictly looking out for your state, then why did the national party recruit and fund you? Matt Bevin, for all his stupid, could claim quite credibly that he’s independent from the national GOP establishment. They didn’t want him. Conway’s been the Democratic establishment’s darling in KY for four statewide races now. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/29 "2015-11-04T18:00:46Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I don’t know if it’s admitting that the other party is right. There’s a place for centrist candidates who can run against both party establishments. You can do it if you have the record to back it up. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins pulled it off for a long time in Maine. Collins still does. I think that Joe Manchin also has that credibility for the Democrats. But for candidates with scant records it can be a lot tougher to convince voters. After all, if you are an independent type strictly looking out for your state, then why did the national party recruit and fund you? Matt Bevin, for all his stupid, could claim quite credibly that he’s independent from the national GOP establishment. They didn’t want him. Conway’s been the Democratic establishment’s darling in KY for four statewide races now. Indeed, in a state race for Governor, one must thread the needle with regard to being independent from Washington and the national party apparatus, while still being of-the-party. I would think this is somewhat easier for Republican candidates when there is a Democrat in the White House. Add in the notion that Republicans sort of own the “States Rights” thing, it’s no surprise Republicans are in so many Governorships. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/30 "2015-11-04T18:03:56Z")
The LT. governor is also a die hard Tea Partier: > **[Matt Bevin's running mate: I'm just 'Jenean'](https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2015/10/09/matt-bevins-running-mate-m-just-jenean/73145924/)** > > Lt. Gov. hopeful Jenean Hampton doesn't trumpet race though her candidacy puts her on edge of Kentucky history Republicans actually won all the statewide races. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/31 "2015-11-04T18:09:10Z")
The Democratic Governors’ Assocation just stepped on Hillary Clinton’s puppy: > [@](#): > > Democratic Governors Association executive director Elisabeth Pearson chalked up Conway’s defeat to “Trump-mania” in a press release: “Jack Conway ran a strong campaign. . . . Unfortunately, he ran into the unexpected headwinds of Trump-mania, losing to an outsider candidate in the Year of the Outsider.” > > Read more at: [Kentucky's Black Lt. Gov Explains Why She's Conservative | National Review](http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/426571/how-kentuckys-new-black-lieutenant-governor-became-conservative-john-fund) If this is the year of the outsider, as in outsiders can actually win elections, then that does not bode well for the ultimate insider. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/32 "2015-11-04T18:12:06Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No, we don’t like their ways either. Liberals, if anything, have a eurocentrism problem since they seem to think we should do things how they do it there. Strange that while liberals endorse multiculturalism, their idea of how governments should be run is so… white. You should know by now that whenever you opine on what “liberals” or “Democrats” think, you embarrass yourself. This is another example. Most liberals see this much more as a shade of gray: they like what they see as in European health care models and the rejection of capital punishment, while seeing the US and Canada as being much superior at integrating immigrants successfully. Liberals don’t have a uniform position on parliamentary vs. presidential democracies. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/33 "2015-11-04T18:15:18Z")
Fair enough, but Elvis was doing some mind-reading of his own there. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/34 "2015-11-04T18:29:35Z")
I think Elvis was making a joke. Since traditionally, Americans with political power were Europeans. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/35 "2015-11-04T18:34:32Z")
Perhaps. But I still object because Americanism is distinct from European culture for a reason. A country like Canada is pretty Eurocentric but we’ve always played by our own rules. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/36 "2015-11-04T18:36:54Z")
OK, so he won, and now he’s going to banish ObamaCare in Kentucky! Really? ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/37 "2015-11-04T18:45:36Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Perhaps. But I still object because Americanism is distinct from European culture for a reason. A country like Canada is pretty Eurocentric but we’ve always played by our own rules. Which has nothing to do with what you had posted originally. Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Effect on 2016? Obviously, Kentucky is going to go red either way, but will taking health care away from a couple hundred thousand poor Kentuckians provide a cautionary tale for swing states? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/38 "2015-11-04T18:50:35Z")
Ahem … the term was used here: > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > … the way he leads and image he projects just sucks and doesn’t do justice to traditional Americanism. Image is part of leadership when you’re president, and that matters. What “image” does Obama project that previous presidents did not? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/39 "2015-11-04T18:52:39Z")
Darker. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217/40 "2015-11-04T19:24:49Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Effect on 2016? Obviously, Kentucky is going to go red either way, but will taking health care away from a couple hundred thousand poor Kentuckians provide a cautionary tale for swing states? Well, the question for 2016 is the same as it’s been for eight years. Will Democrats turn out with Obama not on the ticket? Do the Democrats have an off-year turnout problem, or simply a turnout problem? As for health care, it will be interesting to see if Bevin can get Medicaid expansion revocation through the legislature. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ky-governors-race/733217.md?page=3)