# Kyle Rayner1 and his crap about cops **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2005, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036 "2005-09-04T10:58:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2005, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/81 "2005-09-05T14:37:06Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > Comic books are not documentaries, you fucking moron. Well not DC Comics. Marvel comics are offically licensed stories from the heroes and since they bear the seal of the comics code of America they are admissable in court. Duh. Didn’t you read Dan Slott’s She-Hulk #2? 😉 **Kyle** , rachett it back a bit. I’ve run into my fair share of asshole cops, including the one that tried to arrest me for WWB\* in my friend’s neighborhood. Fortunately another friend vouched for me and the douchebag had nothing on me. I really wish I had reported him… Anyway, while there are some assclown cops and some fat cops and some fat assclown cops that doesn’t mean that are cops are. \*Walking While Black ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2005, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/82 "2005-09-05T16:03:01Z")
> [@Kyle Rayner1](#): > > Google sucks by the way. Yeah, I know what you mean. I mean, here I am, ready to make a stinging point in GD based on my gut knowlege, and here is Google ready to contradict my every point. All that work for nothin’, and who needs self doubt? **Kyle Rayner1** , please reread **rorty’s** post again. He makes three excellent points (one of which I also made in GD). Or listen to the very beginning of any Law & Order episode, if Google lets you down again. The judicial system separates enforcement from prosecution for a reason. In fact, most of our government consists of separation to avoid concentration of power. You would have someone act as “judge, jury and executioner” because it fits your idea of a perfect world. Sorry, we ain’t perfect and we ain’t never gonna be. No one here (I hope) has any use for sex offenders. If one believes John Donne’s statement that “The death of any man diminishes me, because I am a part of mankind”, then this one tests ones beliefs to the limits. But like it or not, these people are men. Calling them animals, while satisfying, is the first step toward the erosion of humanity and it is a \*very \* slippery slope. There are means in place to take the life of men, and they are called “war” and “the death penalty”. The intent (not always followed with our current leader) is to be grave and deliberate in their application, lest the same attitude pervade society and be eventually turned back on us. Our respect for the sanctity of life is what defines us as human beings. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2005, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/83 "2005-09-05T16:52:45Z")
> [@](#): > > **tomndebb** , sorry man I looked everywhere on google but I couldn’t find shit but I thought it was common knowledge that poverty in inner cities was a result of police corruption among other factors. It is not common knowledge because it is not true. It is far more likely that police corruption (as practiced in the manner in which you keep claiming) is a result of the poverty, where cops are constantly faced with real dangers and real temptations and some succumb to the latter as a(n improper) response to the former. A policeman who writes tickets is not contributing to poverty. A policeman who accepts money to look the other way when drugs are dealt or bodies are pandered for sexual favors is not contributing to povery except to the very limited degree that “bad” neighborhoods stay “bad.” However, there are already so many greater factors in that situation (such as, perhaps, really low levels of income, an infrastructure that is not maintained, both municipal such as streets and hydrants and personal such as housing) that an occasional drug score or hooker hardly _keeps_ a neighborhood poor. (One could–although I would not–make the cynical observation that suburban buyers of illicit goods and services are actually bringing income into the neighborhood.\*) Interestingly, 33 years ago I knew a kid with your exact attitude toward cops. He claimed that they were all corrupt, power-mad, racist, buffoons who **w** ould not do a thing to help people in poor neighborhoods. One day, two guys got into an altercation in front of the store where he worked. His boss called the police, but the kid, who “knew” that the police were more trouble than they were worth went out to pacify the guys. They were so upset that that he was interfering in their dispute that one of them knifed him–just as the police pulled up. It is one thing to get a hard-on for the police based on one or two personal incidents. It is another thing to fantasize about dark knights wandering around the city doing good. There is nothing wrong with entertaining those fanatasies. It is another thing altogether to ignore the real work that the police actually do while seriously proposing that we turn loose some lawless creep to kill the bad guys without any supervision. - (I am aware that the money does not stay in the neighborhood, flowing immediately back up to the bosses who live elsewhere.) ---
**Author:** ![Kyle\_Rayner1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58f4c7/32.png) [@Kyle\_Rayner1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyle_Rayner1)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/84 "2005-09-06T05:37:31Z")
Well **tomndebb** , you’re smart and your probably right but in the poor city next to mine they could use a vigilante. I’m not going to post more info about it but if you want to know e-mail since you’re a mod. I’m just saying a vigilante would improve things a million times over where I live, no cite but just take it or leave it. I don’t care if the vigilante goes overboard a few times not like the cops go overboard here all the time not blaming all cops over here but most cops do what they want and shit on the poor. I’m fucking sick and tired of it, damn it. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/85 "2005-09-06T06:00:59Z")
> [@Kyle Rayner1](#): > > I’m just saying a vigilante would improve things a million times over where I live, no cite but just take it or leave it. Ba ba ba ba ba… I’m leavin’ it. Sorry, but you’ve offered nothing in any of your posts. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/86 "2005-09-06T06:02:41Z")
> [@Kyle Rayner1](#): > > Damn, my second pitting ever. Trust me, but getting that in your first month is NOT a badge of honor. ---
**Author:** ![Kyle\_Rayner1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58f4c7/32.png) [@Kyle\_Rayner1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyle_Rayner1)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/87 "2005-09-06T06:21:24Z")
Okay, then leave it, I told you I didn’t have any cites. I wish I ould tell you the truth but my brother is a big fan of the Dope and he reads these boards so I can’t upset him. I’m just sayinga vigilante would help my town if you want the name of my town and the stat just tell me and I’mme-mail it to you. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/88 "2005-09-06T06:22:54Z")
> [@Kyle Rayner1](#): > > I wish I ould tell you the truth but my brother is a big fan of the Dope and he reads these boards so I can’t upset him. I’m just sayinga vigilante would help my town if you want the name of my town and the stat just tell me and I’mme-mail it to you. Oh, that makes LOTS of sense. Please don’t e-mail me anything. I get that you think vigilantes would help. You’ve just been totally unable to prove it and I don’t believe you. ---
**Author:** ![Kyle\_Rayner1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58f4c7/32.png) [@Kyle\_Rayner1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyle_Rayner1)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/89 "2005-09-06T06:26:20Z")
I’m serious, damn it. I would tll you but I don’t want to my my brother relive painful memories alirght? Fi8ne my fther was an overwweight cop who was shot in the back of the head while doing his job. If someone told him he wasn’t fit for his job he would be alive today and helping my mom. If a mod doesn’t believe me they can e-mail me and they can have more details. If a vigilante was around I’m postive my father woul still be alive. ---
**Author:** ![Kyle\_Rayner1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58f4c7/32.png) [@Kyle\_Rayner1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyle_Rayner1)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/90 "2005-09-06T06:31:42Z")
Actually, I don’t want to get suspeneded or banned so with someone’s permission can someone please cloe trhis thread. I’ve had enough. ---
**Author:** ![Kyle\_Rayner1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58f4c7/32.png) [@Kyle\_Rayner1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyle_Rayner1)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/91 "2005-09-06T08:03:42Z")
Sorry, what happened to my dad was true but it’s not a true cite for this thread so if Monty agrees I would like this thread closed. We’re never going to agree and I stopped interfereing in his vigilnate thread in GB so could a mod please close this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/92 "2005-09-06T09:01:10Z")
Actually, the usual practice for member requests here on closing a thread is for the originator of the thread, not the pittee, to request it. As the originator of this thread, I see exactly zero reason for it to be closed. You’re still spewing. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/93 "2005-09-06T09:02:27Z")
p.s. I don’t have a vigilante thread on these boards, or anywhere else for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Kyle\_Rayner1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58f4c7/32.png) [@Kyle\_Rayner1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyle_Rayner1)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/94 "2005-09-06T09:09:19Z")
Okay, Monty I made another mistake. Most of the cops in my city are overweight and suck at their jobs. I’m sorry for making my mind up about most cops worldwide. I’m sure most cops are fine at their jobs and I was ignorant to suggest otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/95 "2005-09-06T09:55:17Z")
> [@Kyle Rayner1](#): > > Okay, Monty I made another mistake. Most of the cops in my city are overweight and suck at their jobs. I’m sorry for making my mind up about most cops worldwide. I’m sure most cops are fine at their jobs and I was ignorant to suggest otherwise. So wait, your father was a cop and was overweight-how does that make him corrupt? :dubious: And what if this guy who shot him WAS a vigilante, who decided that he should go after the “corrupt police officers.” ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/96 "2005-09-06T12:24:55Z")
> [@Kyle Rayner1](#): > > Well tomndebb, you’re smart and your probably right but in the poor city next to mine they could use a vigilante. I’m not going to post more info about it but if you want to know e-mail since you’re a mod. I’m just saying a vigilante would improve things a million times over where I live, no cite but just take it or leave it. I don’t care if the vigilante goes overboard a few times not like the cops go overboard here all the time not blaming all cops over here but most cops do what they want and shit on the poor. I’m fucking sick and tired of it, damn it. > . . . > > Okay, then leave it, I told you I didn’t have any cites. I wish I ould tell you the truth but my brother is a big fan of the Dope and he reads these boards so I can’t upset him. I’m just sayinga vigilante would help my town if you want the name of my town and the stat just tell me and I’mme-mail it to you. > . . . > > I’m serious, damn it. I would tll you but I don’t want to my my brother relive painful memories alirght? Fi8ne my fther was an overwweight cop who was shot in the back of the head while doing his job. If someone told him he wasn’t fit for his job he would be alive today and helping my mom. If a mod doesn’t believe me they can e-mail me and they can have more details. If a vigilante was around I’m postive my father woul still be alive. > > . . . > > Okay, Monty I made another mistake. Most of the cops in my city are overweight and suck at their jobs. I’m sorry for making my mind up about most cops worldwide. I’m sure most cops are fine at their jobs and I was ignorant to suggest otherwise. I’m going to resist my first impulse, which would be to _laugh in your face at the worst attempt I’ve ever seen to bullshit your way out of having your ass handed to you._ Instead, I’ll suggest that you might want to see a therapist about the unresolved anger and abandonment issues you seem to be exhibiting. Then, I’ll turn away and laugh _privately_ at the worst attempt I’ve ever seen to bullshit your way out of having your ass handed to you. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/97 "2005-09-06T12:39:23Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Kyle Rayner1** _ > Well tomndebb, you’re smart and your probably right If you think he’s probably right, why, then, do you go on a rant that’s completely against his points? > [@](#): > > but in the poor city next to mine they could use a vigilante. You’re not following either this thread or the one in GD too well, are you? Yet again, you’ve asserted that a vigilante will be good. Others have shown you why that’s not the case and have asked you what supports your assertion. You’ve merely ranted and repeated that assertion. > [@](#): > > I’m not going to post more info about it but if you want to know e-mail since you’re a mod. More info? Dude, you’ve posted zero information to date on this issue. > [@](#): > > I’m just saying a vigilante would improve things a million times over where I live, no cite but just take it or leave it. Others have already informed you that’s not the way it works here. This particular crowd of netizens is quite serious about their requests for citations to prove assertions. > [@](#): > > I don’t care if the vigilante goes overboard a few times So, you’ve decided it’s okay if he’s not the dream persona you desire? Don’t we already have a dedicated group of men and women who are on the lookout for criminal activity? > [@](#): > > not like the cops go overboard here all the time So, it’s just a matter of degree with you, then? You don’t care that your vigilante goes overboard but you do care that the police go overboard? > [@](#): > > not blaming all cops over here but most cops do what they want and shit on the poor. No, you’re yet again blaming the majority of police officers for your perceptions of them. Your own belated research, as I already indicated, does not bear out your perceptions. > [@](#): > > I’m fucking sick and tired of it, damn it. Such language! Just kidding–this is the Pit, after all. But exactly what are you sick and tired of? You’ve already declared that you’ll give _carte blanche_ to the vigilantes, so it’s quite evident you’re not sick and tired of someone “going overboard.” > [@](#): > > Okay, then leave it, I told you I didn’t have any cites. Does this not tell you something? Does this not tell you that your thesis is invalid? {snip} > [@](#): > > I’m just sayinga vigilante would help my town Really? How, exactly, would a vigilante, one who has your permission to “go overboard,” help your town? > [@](#): > > if you want the name of my town and the stat just tell me and I’mme-mail it to you. I don’t think that really has any bearing on the over-arching issues here: (1) your prejudice against police officers, and (2) you seem to live in a fantasy world and have confused that world with reality. > [@](#): > > I’m serious, damn it. Then seriously get some actual evidence. Seriously examine the evidence. Seriously develop an intelligent hypothesis. > [@](#): > > I would tll you but I don’t want to my my brother relive painful memories alirght? Is this the same brother you say frequents this website? Does he peruse this forum? > [@](#): > > Fi8ne my fther was an overwweight cop who was shot in the back of the head while doing his job. If someone told him he wasn’t fit for his job he would be alive today and helping my mom. If a mod doesn’t believe me they can e-mail me and they can have more details. That’s quite a…convenient story. What baffles me is how you can blame your father for some criminal coming up behind him and murdering him. BTW, did the fat, out-of-shape, donut-swilling, corruption-ridden police force investigate this particular crime? Did they arrest the perpetrator? Was the perpetrator prosecuted? > [@](#): > > If a vigilante was around I’m postive my father woul still be alive. What actual evidence do you have to support that view? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/98 "2005-09-06T12:51:52Z")
> [@Kyle Rayner1](#): > > I didn’t start cursing until **Monty** and Larry Borgia did. BTW, this is a lie. You’ve already apologized to me; however, you’ve asserted that Larry cursed at you first. Your cursing is in post #52; his is in post #53. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/99 "2005-09-06T14:02:03Z")
> [@Kyle Rayner1](#): > > I’m serious, damn it. I would tll you but I don’t want to my my brother relive painful memories alirght? Fi8ne my fther was an overwweight cop who was shot in the back of the head while doing his job. If someone told him he wasn’t fit for his job he would be alive today and helping my mom. In case that’s true, I’ll just say it’s hard to understand how losing weight would have solved that. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2005, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/100 "2005-09-06T14:08:53Z")
Kyle, watch some COPS, dude. Pretty rare to see an overweight beat cop there. And hilarious white trash incidents to keep you entertained. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036.md?page=6)