# Kyle Rayner1 and his crap about cops **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2005, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036 "2005-09-04T10:58:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/141 "2005-09-07T17:47:45Z")
> [@Kyle Rayner1](#): > > **tomndebb** , you’re right I should have found out more information and I will later but I’m short for time right now. Doesn’t my point stand, though, that Camden is a hellhole and if the police were doing their job it wouldn’t be crime-ridden? > > Another point I have is ask Rodney King or the dead people in London or just ask Kitty Genvesehow effective the police are? I don’t blame all cops but the majority of them have to wake up and fast. > > I’ll be back later with more and better statistics. Bring pie instead. Your statistics, and frankly your attitude, are bullshit. If you want to point fingers, point them at the court systems that put criminals back out on the streets before the cops finish writing the arrest reports. And come on - ask Rodney King? What an incredibly fucking stupid thing to say. Ask Kitty Genovese? Tell me something, dumbshit. How is her murder the fault of the cops when nobody that heard her screaming bothered to call them? Sorry, my bad. I forgot that trying to use logic on someone with a closed mind is a losing proposition. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/142 "2005-09-07T17:51:33Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Your statistics, and frankly your attitude, are bullshit. If you want to point fingers, point them at the court systems that put criminals back out on the streets before the cops finish writing the arrest reports. Now I can’t decide which one of you two is stupider. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/143 "2005-09-07T19:14:25Z")
Hey now! My dad was a cop for over 30 years, does that mean I get to make wild claims about laws and their enforcement? Woohoo! Ummm, let me think of something appropriately crazy, it might take a while to come up with something as silly as advocating a superhero vigilante though. (BTW, my old man is in his 50’s now and could probably still whup my ass, although I’m no shrinking violet, he’s a something-degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do) ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/144 "2005-09-07T19:17:53Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > BTW, you’re not talking from experience as you obviously weren’t a police officer. I think you misunderstood **Kyle**. I think he was claiming experience as a vigilante. I’m sure he was a good one, but then he got fat and no longer fits into the tight spandex costume. This explains his dislike of fat cops. Face it, a fat pudgy vigilante is worse than a fat out of shape policeman, because the cop can hides the rolls of fat with the kevlar vest, while the vigilante has to resort to sort of draping his cape around the front. Besides looking gay, it tends to cause one to trip while chasing after the evil-doers. I guess he could solve that problem by getting rid of the tight spandex outfit and replacing it with a toga (which, if it’s flowing enough, keeps a design element of a cape). That’s important, because a vigilante should have a bit of flair (but not so much that he looks gay, which is the problem with the cape held tightly around the beer belly). I’m not sure if a bad guy would be scared off by a fat guy who looks like he’s on his way to a fraternity party though, so maybe a toga isn’t the best bet. Back to my point, which was, uh, hell I forgot. But dressing a fat vigilante is not easy. ---
**Author:** ![vetbridge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5e925/32.png) [@vetbridge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vetbridge)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/145 "2005-09-07T19:19:15Z")
I think _most_ of us agree that the idea of Batman patrolling town is crazy\*, but hey . . . what about the Green Hornet? I’m just sayng is all. \*Cite: [http://www.artnet.com/artist/424157172/mark-chamberlain.html](http://www.artnet.com/artist/424157172/mark-chamberlain.html)(Warning: may not be safe for work) ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/146 "2005-09-07T19:19:40Z")
> [@Dag Otto](#): > > I think you misunderstood **Kyle**. I think he was claiming experience as a vigilante. I’m sure he was a good one, but then he got fat and no longer fits into the tight spandex costume. This explains his dislike of fat cops. Face it, a fat pudgy vigilante is worse than a fat out of shape policeman, because the cop can hides the rolls of fat with the kevlar vest, while the vigilante has to resort to sort of draping his cape around the front. Besides looking gay, it tends to cause one to trip while chasing after the evil-doers. I guess he could solve that problem by getting rid of the tight spandex outfit and replacing it with a toga (which, if it’s flowing enough, keeps a design element of a cape). That’s important, because a vigilante should have a bit of flair (but not so much that he looks gay, which is the problem with the cape held tightly around the beer belly). I’m not sure if a bad guy would be scared off by a fat guy who looks like he’s on his way to a fraternity party though, so maybe a toga isn’t the best bet. > > Back to my point, which was, uh, hell I forgot. But dressing a fat vigilante is not easy. What about Nite Owl? But I guess he’d pretty much quit crime-fighting by the time he put on those extra pounds. ---
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/147 "2005-09-07T19:48:20Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > Now I can’t decide which one of you two is stupider. You’re shitting me, right? On the one hand, we have **Clothahump**. If you run his post through the Destupidizer™, you get something like: “We, as a society, should consider stricter sentencing of criminals. Discuss.” On the other hand, we have **Kyle Rayner1**. If you run his post through the Destupidizer™, you get something like: “We should consider modeling our society after that contained within superhero comic books. Discuss.” Tell me with a straight face that anyone beyond the age of twelve (besides the obvious) would take the latter seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/148 "2005-09-07T19:52:28Z")
> [@Dag Otto](#): > > I think you misunderstood **Kyle**. I think he was claiming experience as a vigilante. I’m sure he was a good one, but then he got fat and no longer fits into the tight spandex costume. This explains his dislike of fat cops. Face it, a fat pudgy vigilante is worse than a fat out of shape policeman, because the cop can hides the rolls of fat with the kevlar vest, while the vigilante has to resort to sort of draping his cape around the front. Besides looking gay, it tends to cause one to trip while chasing after the evil-doers. I guess he could solve that problem by getting rid of the tight spandex outfit and replacing it with a toga (which, if it’s flowing enough, keeps a design element of a cape). That’s important, because a vigilante should have a bit of flair (but not so much that he looks gay, which is the problem with the cape held tightly around the beer belly). I’m not sure if a bad guy would be scared off by a fat guy who looks like he’s on his way to a fraternity party though, so maybe a toga isn’t the best bet. > > Back to my point, which was, uh, hell I forgot. But dressing a fat vigilante is not easy. While very glib, you undermined your own point vis a vis dressing the +sized vigilante. Firstly, not all costumed vigilantes wear spandex. The Green Hornet, for example, wore a trenchcoat. A trenchcoat, I think you will agree, would be excellent for covering up a few extra pounds without unnecessary risk of looking gay. IIRC, the original Sandman and The Question also eschewed spandex in favor of what was essentially middle-class-businessman-in-a-mask attire. Neither of them looked gay (though there _was_ The Sandman’s somewhat ambiguous relationship with Sandy). Secondly, if you were a criminal, why would you _not_ be frightened by a fat guy in a toga leaping out of the shadows at you? Many criminals are repeat offenders who have already had a stay in The Stoney Lonesome. After a couple of experiences in the showers that they would prefer to forget, I’m willing to bet that lots of malefactors are **very** afraid of semi-clad fat guys. Especially ones with lots of tatoos. Moreover, in the dark a toga could be mistaken for towel. I think you discarded that whole idea too hastily. Anyway, people who think fat guys couldn’t be costumed vigilantes are just fat-hating bigots who want to impose their own standards of beauty on everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/149 "2005-09-07T20:16:47Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > After a couple of experiences in the showers that they would prefer to forget, I’m willing to bet that lots of malefactors are **very** afraid of semi-clad fat guys. Wow. Now I have to reconsider the whole “not looking gay” idea. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/150 "2005-09-07T21:02:38Z")
Scumpup, Well, the trenchcoat costume has the risk of making the wearer, especially in the summer, look like a flasher on the prowl and thus putting him at risk of being the target of another vigilante. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/151 "2005-09-07T21:05:19Z")
> [@Kyle Rayner1](#): > > Really, quick. I only posted two posts drunk and those were two days ago. I was sober the rest of the time and I’ll never post drunk again since I didn’t know it was against board rules until recently. You’d probably be better off claiming that all of your posts in this thread were made under the influence. It’s astonishing that someone could believe the bunk you’ve posted while sober. > [@](#): > > I’ll reply to your other points later, Monty. Please be sure to include a response to the issue of underage drinking. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/152 "2005-09-07T21:06:23Z")
> [@zut](#): > > On the one hand, we have **Clothahump**. If you run his post through the Destupidizer™, you get something like: “We, as a society, should consider stricter sentencing of criminals. Discuss.” On the other hand, we have **Kyle Rayner1**. If you run his post through the Destupidizer™, you get something like: “We should consider modeling our society after that contained within superhero comic books. Discuss.” Where can I get one of these Destupizers? It would make my job ever so much easier. I’ll pay cash… ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/153 "2005-09-07T21:07:26Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Scumpup, > > Well, the trenchcoat costume has the risk of making the wearer, especially in the summer, look like a flasher on the prowl and thus putting him at risk of being the target of another vigilante. I don’t think anyone is advocating\* two \* vigilantes. That’s just silly. Let’s try to keep this discussion reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/154 "2005-09-07T21:07:03Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Where can I get one of these **Destupizers**? It would make my job ever so much easier. I’ll pay cash… :smack: I’ll start by using it on myself. ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/155 "2005-09-07T21:13:47Z")
> [@Dag Otto](#): > > I don’t think anyone is advocating\* two \* vigilantes. That’s just silly. > > Let’s try to keep this discussion reasonable. But all the good vigilantes have sidekicks. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/156 "2005-09-07T21:14:41Z")
You’re right, Dag. If we end up with two vigilantes, we might end up with more; so many more, in fact, that they’re liable to form a department. Now, would we really want a group of people in uniform dedicated to law enforcement? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/157 "2005-09-07T21:15:50Z")
Well, considering the designs of some of the costumed vigilantes get-ups, the Fab Five should have been consulted early in the process. Let’s face it, the QEftSG dudes have much better fashion sense (including having mastered the art of helping straights not looking ‘gay’), and could help the heterosexual hero come up with appropriate, straight-looking, crime-fighting uniforms. Having had fun with **Dag** ’s post, this hetero will express his displeasure with the use of _gay_ as a pejorative. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/158 "2005-09-07T21:16:21Z")
Messed up the joke. Please mentally change > [@Monty](#): > > If we end up with two vigilantes, to > [@](#): > > Once we have two vigilantes, Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/159 "2005-09-07T21:32:24Z")
> [@vetbridge](#): > > Actually, wouldn’t that depend on which trimester Kyle was wishing for retroactive abortion? When does a fetus become a poster, anyway? 😉 When it gives the Reader $14.95. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036/160 "2005-09-07T21:55:06Z")
> [@zut](#): > > You’re shitting me, right? > > On the one hand, we have **Clothahump**. If you run his post through the Destupidizer™, you get something like: “We, as a society, should consider stricter sentencing of criminals. Discuss.” On the other hand, we have **Kyle Rayner1**. If you run his post through the Destupidizer™, you get something like: “We should consider modeling our society after that contained within superhero comic books. Discuss.” _shrug_ And they both want to point to one individual factor in a situation that is caused by a myriad of factors. To me, they’re both delusional. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kyle-rayner1-and-his-crap-about-cops/320036.md?page=9)