# LA City Council: Eat Shit, Be Sick, Suffer, Die, And Roast In Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 17, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064 "2003-09-17T00:51:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2003, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/21 "2003-09-17T19:48:35Z")
> [@](#): > > I knew several strippers who took up the profession to put their way through college, since a “real” job (by blowero’s idiotic standard) wouldn’t have covered tuition, housing, and expenses, and because an office job (which is what I assumed gobear’s moronic suggestion referred to) would conflict with her class schedules. A. I was quoting the diner scene from the beginning of _Reservoir Dogs_; I’m surprised you didn’t catch the reference, especially when I mentioned Quentin Tarantino. B. I have an office job, a temp job with no benefits and low pay, and I’m taking classes at night. My mother went through nursing school when she was divorced, broke, and burdened with four children to support. I know what I’m talking about. Do you? > [@](#): > > Of course, these practical realities tend to conflict with what I’m sure are pristine preconceptions of what these types of workers are like, though, eh? C. You have no idea of what my views are of sex workers are, so stop talking crap. I’m all for strippers, am very sex worker positive, and as I said originally, this law is stupid, but **there are other ways of making a living**. If your business slides out from under you, you have to adapt by learning new skills or transferring the old ones to a new industry. This is as true for strippers as it is for IT workers or folks like me who have been thrown adrift in the wreckage of the publishing industry. Until this idiotic law is repealed, the strippers of LA will have to find other methods of bringing in a paycheck. So stop the self-righteous posturing, please. ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2003, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/22 "2003-09-17T19:48:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > **It would seem to me that strippers are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis.** At the risk of sounding crude, I can’t help but wonder if it would be an overall improvement if lawmakers were having regular, satisfying anal sex with strippers. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2003, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/23 "2003-09-17T20:46:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ArchiveGuy \* > I knew several strippers who took up the profession to put their way through college, since a “real” job (by blowero’s idiotic standard) I’m curious why you changed the word I used from “regular” to “real”. Was that because you wanted to invent a stronger position for me so you could bash it? > [@](#): > > wouldn’t have covered tuition, housing, and expenses, and because an office job (which is what I assumed gobear’s moronic suggestion referred to) would conflict with her class schedules. Boo fucking hoo - the other 90% of us on this planet just had to get through college _without_ getting premium pay for having a good body. The point is that I don’t think any woman should be crying about not being able to make premium money working in a strip club. If she wants to do that for a living, fine, but she doesn’t have a _God-given right_ to work in a strip club. > [@](#): > > Of course, these practical realities tend to conflict with what I’m sure are pristine preconceptions of what these types of workers are like, though, eh? I don’t believe I made any kind of moral judgment on her; nor did I say that stripping is not a “real” job. I just said it’s not a “regular” job, of the type that the 90% of us have to get - those of us who weren’t blessed with a big pair of tits that guys are gonna pay us to shake in their face. (Actually, I don’t have _any_ tits because I’m a man.) But thanks for the strawman characterization, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2003, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/24 "2003-09-17T20:51:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > So stop the self-righteous posturing, please. Amen. ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2003, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/25 "2003-09-17T21:11:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by blowero \* > Boo fucking hoo - the other 90% of us on this planet just had to get through college _without_ getting premium pay for having a good body. Some of us get premium pay because of our overdeloped craniums, others because of our physical prowess, still others because of our penetrating charisma. Exactly what is it about relying on _looks_ that is distasteful? Keep in mind you can couple hard work with any of the above, so it’s not a foregone conclusion that relying on your strong points is laziness. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/26 "2003-09-17T21:29:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Neurotik \* > \*\*No you aren’t. You’re only infuriated by government attempts to legislate morality you disagree with. You have no problems with moral legislation like helping the poor, redistribution of wealth, etc. Indeed, unless I am mistaken, you have been known to call conservatives immoral for opposing these things. \*\* Pretty creative characterization of the meaning of “legislating morality”. Ridiculous, but creative. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daerlyn \* > **blowero, for a lot of people, that is a real job. It’s a service that there’s a market for, and it’s helped a lot of women support their kids or pay for college/university. It’s also a job that can be incredibly difficult to do and takes a lot of guts to stick with.** 'zackly > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by blowero \* > \*\* > Boo fucking hoo - the other 90% of us on this planet just had to get through college without getting premium pay for having a good body._\* I smells me some envy. > [@](#): > > \*\* The point is that I don’t think any woman should be crying about not being able to make premium money working in a strip club. If she wants to do that for a living, fine, but she doesn’t have a _God-given right_ to work in a strip club. \*\* Okay… what kind of job would she be able to cry about having taken away, and why, and how does it differ from stripping, and can you identify what sorts of jobs we do have “God-given” rights to work at? Your position is a little muddy, apart from your obvious annoyance that women can make money for being beautiful and displaying that beauty, which is entirely a personal issue. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2003, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/27 "2003-09-17T22:29:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > **It would seem to me that strippers are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis.** Good thing the government doesn’t pay for it, because that would be prostitution, and prostitution is _baaaaad._ 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2003, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/28 "2003-09-17T23:19:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoid \* > **Pretty creative characterization of the meaning of “legislating morality”. Ridiculous, but creative.** Clever comeback. Good thing I can always count on **Stoid** for healthy dismissals of her own hypocrisy. As for you, **blowero** , she might not have a god-given right to work in a strip joint but she damn well ought to. It doesn’t hurt anyone and pays good money to someone who needs it. And even if they don’t need it, they should have the right to work in whatever occupation they see fit as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. That covers prostitutes, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2003, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/29 "2003-09-17T23:51:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by blowero \* > \*\*I don’t believe I made any kind of moral judgment on her; nor did I say that stripping is not a “real” job. I just said it’s not a “regular” job, of the type that the 90% of us have to get - those of us who weren’t blessed with a big pair of tits that guys are gonna pay us to shake in their face. \*\* You still haven’t explained the difference between lap dancing and a “regular” job. I don’t know what you do for a living, but I will be damn surprised if 90% of the posters here do the same thing. Face it, there are lots of different ways to make a living, and most of them bear so little resemblence to each other, there is no reasonable criteria by which you can say 90% are regular jobs, and the rest have no God given right to work. Or is it just the sex thing? Is that what sets her job away from “regular” jobs in your mind? ---
**Author:** ![Daerlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Daerlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daerlyn)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2003, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/30 "2003-09-18T00:01:34Z")
**Fear Itself** makes a good point. In what way is an occupation that is (was, in this case) legal and pays the bills not a regular job? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2003, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/31 "2003-09-18T00:25:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daerlyn \* > \*\ ***Fear Itself** makes a good point. In what way is an occupation that is (was, in this case) legal and pays the bills not a regular job? \*\* I don’t wish to speak for **Blowero** , but you have to admit that stripping, like lion taming, underwater demolition, or putting out oil well fires, is a perfectly legitimate job, but it isn’t work that just anyone can do. When one thinks of a regular job, I, at least think of the usual 9 to 5 meaningless bullshit behind a desk that most of us do. After college, I worked in national parks, including 3 years living and working at the bottom of the Grand Canyon at Phantom Ranch. It was legal and paid the bills, but I don’t think anyopne could call that a “regular” job. Ditto for stripping. ---
**Author:** ![Daerlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Daerlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daerlyn)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2003, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/32 "2003-09-18T00:57:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > **I don’t wish to speak for Blowero, but you have to admit that stripping, like lion taming, underwater demolition, or putting out oil well fires, is a perfectly legitimate job, but it isn’t work that just anyone can do. When one thinks of a regular job, I, at least think of the usual 9 to 5 meaningless bullshit behind a desk that most of us do.** Certainly these are not jobs that everyone can do, but I’d like to point out that neither is a nine-to-five desk job. Many of us (and I admit that here I am thinking primarily of myself, though I’m sure I’m not the only one) do not have the patience, discipline, and stick-to-it-iveness required to sit behind a desk every day, particularly for some of the more repetitive options. A job is a job, and if you have the qualifications to be a stripper, it is likely to pay quite well, comparitively speaking, so go to it, I say. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2003, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/33 "2003-09-18T01:06:45Z")
I agree with the OP. So long as the zoning is done properly it seems archaic to deny these dancers the right to make a living. I just don’t care that much what other people do unless it is harmful. I can see how the zoning could be tricky. “Cheap thrills” about covers it. Most vice laws seem to cause more problems than they solve. If lap dancing is tantamount to prostitution, one could argue that the law will _increase_ prostitution. It’s not like cheap thrill seekers won’t look for other outlets, especially such traditional ones. I hear it’s an old profession, or something. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2003, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/34 "2003-09-18T07:19:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Neurotik \* > \*\*Clever comeback. Good thing I can always count on **Stoid** for healthy dismissals of her own hypocrisy. \*\* Sorry, **Neurotik** , but **Stoid** got it right. There is a vast difference between legislating objective morality (clothing the naked and feeding the hungry = good, unless you’re a jackass and you want to make the baby Jesus cry), and subjective morality (nekkid girlies shakin’ they thangs = evil/good, depending on your view). Fire up the baler, I smells me some straw. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2003, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/35 "2003-09-18T09:53:51Z")
My former girlfriend, and still my best friend, used to dance. She quit when the club she was working at required all dancers to do one night a week at their all-nude BYOB dive outside city limits. Not a nice place. We’ve been to a couple of clubs since then, and it seems a lapdance around here now includes getting your manhood chewed on right through your pants. A suprise, to be sure, but my friend laughed, and tipped her extra… Around here, I’m guessing at least 50% of the dancers are going that extra mile after hours. They may have to, as there is serious pro action a few miles south of here in Mexico. But really, any man who is offended by some nice perky girl’s boobies or phat booty has some serious issues, and shouldn’t be coming up with **any** vice laws. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2003, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/36 "2003-09-18T10:21:42Z")
Spoofe > [@](#): > > Ain’t hurting nobody but some pissant little shithead Christian’s sensibilities. Your bigotry is surprisingly myopic. You forgot the pissant little shithead Muslims and the pissant little shithead Orthodox Jews. I’m a Christian, and I don’t care whether someone lap-dances, and I certainly don’t think government has any business meddling in such matters beyond making sure that the transaction is peaceful and honest. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2003, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/37 "2003-09-18T10:32:10Z")
This is GREAT news for strip clubs in Long Beach and Santa Monica and Burbank. I expect there will be a push to get Gentleman’s Clubs in the city of San Fernando now. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2003, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/38 "2003-09-18T12:17:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kung fu lola \* > \*\*Sorry, **Neurotik** , but **Stoid** got it right. > > There is a vast difference between legislating objective morality (clothing the naked and feeding the hungry = good, unless you’re a jackass and you want to make the baby Jesus cry), and subjective morality (nekkid girlies shakin’ they thangs = evil/good, depending on your view). > > Fire up the baler, I smells me some straw. \*\* Which is, of course, no more than a restatement of **Neurotik** ’s point. Government legislating morality that I agree with == good. Government legislating morality that I disagree with == bad. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2003, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/39 "2003-09-18T12:18:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kung fu lola \* > **There is a vast difference between legislating objective morality (clothing the naked and feeding the hungry = good, unless you’re a jackass and you want to make the baby Jesus cry), and subjective morality (nekkid girlies shakin’ they thangs = evil/good, depending on your view).** And then there were two. So not wanting to be forced to give money to feed the hungry is immoral? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2003, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064/40 "2003-09-18T12:22:22Z")
I got horse in this race, so be gentle with me: But aren’t there more objective reasons to feed the hungry (suffering, burdening other resources, the ugliness of corpses on the street and the expense, etc…) than for outlawing prostitution (it’s wrong)? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/la-city-council-eat-shit-be-sick-suffer-die-and-roast-in-hell/202064.md?page=3)