# Lack of Freewill doesn't mean lack of choice **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 10, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lack-of-freewill-doesnt-mean-lack-of-choice/954128 "2021-11-10T15:31:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 100
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lack-of-freewill-doesnt-mean-lack-of-choice/954128/100 "2021-12-03T09:20:24Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > More to the point, the series that determines the state of the lamp after two seconds is 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + … The limit of this isn’t 0,5—it’s divergent, so it simply has no well-defined limit. Although I suppose that’s only true if the state change is instantaneous, which might be what you meant. If it’s not, then at some point, we’d reach a situation where state changes could no longer be completed before the next switch happens. ‘0,5’ might then be a sensible answer if the ramp-up and ramp-down are symmetrical, although they probably wouldn’t be. But really, this is unrelated to the point I was making, which was really just to show that ‘determinate, but non-determined’ isn’t as impossible as one might think, and if it is believed to be, it’s not just free will that goes out of the window. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lack-of-freewill-doesnt-mean-lack-of-choice/954128)._