# Ladies! FIGHT gay marriage! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 25, 2009, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929 "2009-06-25T13:48:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/21 "2009-06-25T17:43:32Z")
> [@Cat\_Fight](#): > > (Broad generalizations below.) > > What an odd, odd article. I’ve always sensed some jealousy in homophobia, a feeling that some (ostensibly straight) men think it’s unfair that gay men can have all the mutually pleasurable, no strings attached sex they want and lesbians can basically re-enact their favorite porn scenes at will while straight men are stuck putting some effort into both courting and sex. Also explains slut shaming. Sorry, I don’t follow. How does homophobia explain slut shaming? I thought slut shaming was the result of Madonna-Whore Syndrome, which, as far as I can tell without using too many of the thinky thingys in my head… has little to do with homophobia. … Or does it? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/22 "2009-06-25T18:01:08Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > Sorry, I don’t follow. How does homophobia explain slut shaming? The claim was that both homophobia and slut shaming are caused by straight men who are upset that they have to work so hard to get laid, while women and gay men can easily find sexual partners. So straight men lash out at those who have it easier than they do. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/23 "2009-06-25T18:25:34Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > so straight men lash out at those who have it easier than they do. “Stop oppressing us!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/24 "2009-06-25T19:26:55Z")
Oh, geez, this guy might as well sign his scribblings “Self-Loathing Closet Case”… ---
**Author:** ![BlinkingDuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BlinkingDuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlinkingDuck)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/25 "2009-06-25T19:29:08Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > The claim was that both homophobia and slut shaming are caused by straight men who are upset that they have to work so hard to get laid, while women and gay men can easily find sexual partners. So straight men lash out at those who have it easier than they do. YEA! We demand equal rights!!! ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/26 "2009-06-25T19:49:34Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > The claim was that both homophobia and slut shaming are caused by straight men who are upset that they have to work so hard to get laid, while women and gay men can easily find sexual partners. So straight men lash out at those who have it easier than they do. That’s about it. I really don’t think it’s the craziest theory, either (even if the idea that women and gay guys can bed any man they want is flawed), though upon re-read this guy really does just sound like a closet case. ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/27 "2009-06-25T20:33:40Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > OK, I just read his article, and it boils down to this: the souce of sexual satisfaction is the penis. If it’s socially acceptable for men to have homosexual relationships, they they’ll get all the penises and there won’t be any left for the women, who will be sexually unsatisfied since two women together don’t have a penis to use! > > I think David Klinghoffer needs to come out of the closet; he sounds repressed. > > In case you don’t know, Klinghoffer usually writes in support of Intelligent Design and writes for the Discovery Institute’s blog. I haven’t read the article. Does the author believe that a penis in his butt feels great? ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/28 "2009-06-25T21:13:24Z")
> [@Rucksinator](#): > > I haven’t read the article. Does the author believe that a penis in his butt feels great? I have read the article, and apparently he does, presumably because women like a penis in their body somewhere near there. Of course, he hasn’t actually tried it, because if he liked it, it would mean the end of Western/Christian civilisation. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/29 "2009-06-25T21:24:19Z")
So like, if men DO ultimately choose each other over us gals, can we at least watch? [sub]What, you haven’t heard of slash?[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/30 "2009-06-25T21:40:56Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > So like, if men DO ultimately choose each other over us gals, can we at least watch? What, and get cooties all over hot man-sex ? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/31 "2009-06-25T22:23:17Z")
There, Mr. Freud, you have your answer: “What do women want?” Slash. And drapes. And shoes, of course… ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/32 "2009-06-25T23:07:36Z")
So females should start putting out earlier in life before the gay males seduce the straight males? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/33 "2009-06-25T23:09:04Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > So females should start putting out earlier in life before the gay males seduce the straight males? Clearly, a solution that deserves a try. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/34 "2009-06-25T23:32:02Z")
> [@stuthehistoryguy](#): > > Interesting that his main source of support is the Classical canon, though he ignores the contrary evidence found in writers like Aristophanes. Actually, the quoted idiot’s claims about Rome are probably taken out of context, anyway. Greece was know by the Romans for its man-boy associations and The Lysistrata was clearly Greek, (from Ari, natch). ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/35 "2009-06-25T23:53:05Z")
I love the assumption that young men (85, 90, or 95% or whatever of whom are heterosexual) are, because of gay marriage, going to feel free to just CHOOSE to go gay! I picture the author typing out his nonsense, muttering under his breath, “OK, bitches, since you aren’t afraid you’re going to burn in Hell for supporting gay marriage, chew on this! There won’t be enough penises to go around for you, how do you like THAT! hahahahahhahaha…” ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/36 "2009-06-25T23:58:23Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > So females should start putting out earlier in life before the gay males seduce the straight males? I’m having a difficult time finding an argument against this, as well. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/37 "2009-06-26T00:03:13Z")
Why is this in Great Debates? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/38 "2009-06-26T00:08:49Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Why is this in Great Debates? If “Can men resist the Lure of the Penis ?” isn’t a Great Debate, what IS ?! ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/39 "2009-06-26T00:10:32Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > If “Can men resist the Lure of the Penis ?” isn’t a Great Debate, what IS ?! Look, I can perfectly see why one man might want to have sex with another. I am just baffled by why one might want to have a romantic relationship with one. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929/40 "2009-06-26T00:11:35Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Look, I can perfectly see why one man might want to have sex with another. I am just baffled by why one might want to have a romantic relationship with one. Because they’re cootie-free, that’s why. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-fight-gay-marriage/500929.md?page=3)