# Ladies, is this unsexy **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 26, 2005, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873 "2005-06-26T03:00:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![lightingtool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/57b2e6/32.png) [@lightingtool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lightingtool)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2005, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/41 "2005-06-26T20:28:07Z")
My wife recently designed the costumes for a touring children’s show that had fruit as most of the main characters, and she ended up making enormous round (or pear-shaped) foam heads. The method that she found worked best was to find some fairly thin (about 1/2") rigid foam, and cut it into strips like you would peel an orange (like one of [these](http://www.maps-charts.com/images/700-20%20World%20Map%20Typvs.jpg) maps). Then glue it all together, wrap it in something kind of thick to get rid of any bumps, paint it, and you’re good to go. Oh, don’t forget to cut a hole out for the face to stick through, and you’ll probably need some sort of chin strap to keep the thing on her head. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2005, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/42 "2005-06-26T20:34:10Z")
As to the costume … Unless she’s real tall and rail-thin you’re gonna need a BIG head, maybe 3 feet in dimater to get any hope of a good overall proportion. A head that big needs to be hollow. The craft stores sell styrofoam bars & curves that you could use to make as large a roughly-spherical frame as you wanted. Then cover it in 1 thin layer of papier mache or even just staple on some fabric like an old pillowcase or two. A little paint and it’ll look OK. Add a suitable cutout for a face and cuts for it to sit on her shoulders and away you go. As to the date, bravo duude. She’s definately a keeper. ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Tonya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/4491bb/32.png) [@Queen\_Tonya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Tonya)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2005, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/43 "2005-06-26T22:06:35Z")
> [@Wesley Clark](#): > > Anyway, I know this is the wrong thread to ask this, but we are going out again for a July 4th party. Its a costume party though, and we decided to go as candy. I decided to go as a tootsie roll and she is going as a blow pop. > > My costume should be easy to make, all I need is to wrap a brown blanket around myself, but hers is a little harder. Fourth of July, in Indiana, and you’re volunteering to wrap yourself in a blanket?! ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2005, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/44 "2005-06-26T22:15:16Z")
> [@Mynn](#): > > I’ve always been told that when using a coupon like that, the tip is still based on the value of the food, not the actual cost. Whooosh… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2005, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/45 "2005-06-26T22:40:15Z")
> [@Portia](#): > > _I_ wasn’t gonna go there, thanks for doing it for me! She needs to learn to be on the ball like you. I’ll help her. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2005, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/46 "2005-06-26T22:43:38Z")
> [@Queen Tonya](#): > > Fourth of July, in Indiana, and you’re volunteering to wrap yourself in a blanket?! /[side of mouth] Did you NOT read the OP?? He took her ‘out for dinner’ and had her pay for it. He’s not the fastest Peoplemover on the monorail. [/side of mouth closed] ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2005, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/47 "2005-06-26T22:44:47Z")
> [@Wesley Clark](#): > > She needs to learn to be on the ball like you. I’ll help her. Er, which ‘she’ and which ‘her’? ---
**Author:** ![UntouchedTakeaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d78d45/32.png) [@UntouchedTakeaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UntouchedTakeaway)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2005, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/48 "2005-06-27T00:29:48Z")
> [@Wesley Clark](#): > > Assume you go out for dinner with a guy and he says that the two of you should split the bill. You agree, and he pulls out a ‘buy one get one free’ coupon and says “Ok, my half of the bill is free then” and leaves you to pay for your half. Would it be inappropriate if he still tried to grope you in the car? He wouldn’t get a chance to grope me in the car. I’d pay for the entire bill, thus cancelling out _any_ perceived “debt” to him, and then I’d take a cab home. Coupons are fine and dandy if you’re an established couple, but it reeks of cheap on an initial date. Incidentally - it also reeks of cheap to spring “hey, let’s go Dutch” on a woman like that. It should be established pre-date. And if you did the inviting, it’s the aforementioned “cheap” to ask it to be Dutch. VCNJ~ ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2005, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/49 "2005-06-27T01:19:51Z")
Well, now, in the case of a couple of poorly college students, inviting someone out and admitting at the same time the invitee is broke is one thing. Were the coupon use and such agreed to previous to the date, I’d see no real problem. Honesty’s the only way to go, even if it’s brutal. If that’s not the situation, and I were the invited, I’d laugh myself out of the restaurant and never look back. You know, **Wes** , I almost get the feeling you’re showing off how you got away w/ treating this girl like crap and then getting her to agree to go out w/ you again. Surely you wouldn’t brag about that on this board, right? ---
**Author:** ![Farmwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Farmwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmwoman)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2005, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/50 "2005-06-27T02:58:32Z")
I don’t believe you **Wes**. First you say you used the girl to get a free meal, then you tell us the two of you are going out dressed like a little shit and a sucker? I smell steamin’ hot Tootsie Roll. ---
**Author:** ![RayMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e495f1/32.png) [@RayMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RayMan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2005, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/51 "2005-06-27T03:30:34Z")
I thought maybe **Wesley Clark** would have learned from [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=271908&page=1&pp=50&highlight=coupon) that coupons are a no no on a first date. I guess not. Maybe the girl in question is the same girl from the earlier thread? I actually thought that the OP was a (kinda funny) joke. Now, I’m beginning to think that he’s just a little weird. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2005, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/52 "2005-06-27T03:41:59Z")
Could **Wesley Clark** and **START** be the same person? ---
**Author:** ![straight\_man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straight_man/32/3027_2.png) [@straight\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straight_man)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2005, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/53 "2005-06-27T03:46:25Z")
Would someone please confirm in my mind that the OP was a joke? ☹ please? ---
**Author:** ![Grits\_and\_Hard\_Toast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Grits\_and\_Hard\_Toast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grits_and_Hard_Toast)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2005, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/54 "2005-06-27T04:17:25Z")
The OP reminds me of one of my worst date experiences. One of those that are so horrible at the time, but now you love that it happened because it is such a fun story to tell. I had just starting dating this guy who at 33 had just gone back to school for his masters. Full-time student, no job, I understood our dates would be doing things you can do for free, no problem. Well one day he says he would like to take me out for a nice dinner. I think that is a nice gesture, figure he plans to use some of his birthday money he recently received, but just in case, I have money and am prepared to pay. I just feel awkward asking ahead of time. We get to the nice restaurant, he proceeds to get the most expensive bottle of wine, and the most expensive appetizer, soup, salad, steak and lobster, and dessert, and after dinner drinks. All I have ordered is a salad, and appetizer for an entre. I know the bill will be high, and even if he planned on spending all his birthday money on it, I will insist on splitting it with him. But I am feeling quite fond of him, thinking he was willing to spend his money on me. I was wrong, the bill comes, and he looks at me. OK, I will pay it. No big deal. I reach in my purse, and he starts to freak out. “People can see you getting money!” He quietly “yells” at me. “What?” “Don’t let anyone see you are paying the bill. Makes me look bad, hand the money to me under the table, so they can see ME pay the bill”. I really think he must be joking. He is not. When I just sit there, confused, he starts to really get angry, I am scared now. I don’t know what the bill is, I ask. He is mad I just don’t hand over all my money I guess. He tells me. I give him the amount for the check, and 25% tip. The service wasn’t really very good, a cute young girl, but not very good, but I can round it out to 25% easily, and that is what I give him. He takes the money, looks at it, and says he needs more, 25% tip is not enough, the waitress will think he is cheap. I really am scared now, so I give him more money. He kind of snarls, but takes it. I would like to say that I left the restaurant, took a cab home, but I didn’t. Low self-esteem is a terrible thing. I continued dating him for almost 2 years. And learned to be very discreet when handing him the money under the table whenever he said he would like to take me out for a nice dinner. After I finally was able to get away from this guy, and started dating my now husband, on our third date, I told him I was going to take him out. He said I didn’t need to, I insisted, he relented. When the bill came, he still wanted to pay it, I said I would, but out of habit, I asked if he wanted me to hand him the money under the table so he could be seen paying the bill. That totally freaked him out. “Are crazy? What could be better than being seen having a beautiful woman dining with you? A beautiful woman who picks up the tab!” Just then the waiter came over. “Can you believe my luck? I get the honor of dining with this incrediable woman, and now she wants to pick up the tab, life does not get better than this, does it?” “No sir, it doesn’t.” And the waiter winked at me. And to top it off, when I gave the waiter my Visa card, he said sorry, they didn’t take credit cards, only cash. I didn’t know any restaurants were that way and I had no cash. So my future husband had to pay anyway. And that is his favorite restaurant dating story. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2005, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/55 "2005-06-27T04:47:50Z")
**Farmwoman** , that was the best line in the thread, hands down. I think I love you. Can I trick you into paying for dinner? ---
**Author:** ![missbunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/76d3ee/32.png) [@missbunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/missbunny)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2005, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/56 "2005-06-27T15:29:32Z")
Wesley, you did not actually pull that, in all seriousness, did you? I can see it being a funny joke - but did you really do it for real, and then the girl went out with you AGAIN? If so, I feel incredibly sorry for her. Grits, what a sad story. I can only think that Wesley’s girl must have the same problem you did. I am glad you found someone who treats you decently. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2005, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/57 "2005-06-27T15:40:32Z")
Too easy ---
**Author:** ![Farmwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Farmwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmwoman)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2005, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/58 "2005-06-27T15:51:16Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Can I trick you into paying for dinner? No need for tricks. I enjoy decent dinner company and am more than willing to pay for the experience. Of course, you should prepare to be groped on the way home. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![missbunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/76d3ee/32.png) [@missbunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/missbunny)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2005, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/59 "2005-06-27T16:12:10Z")
> [@Wesley Clark](#): > > Too easy What does that mean? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2005, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873/60 "2005-06-27T16:21:06Z")
> [@missbunny](#): > > What does that mean? 😕 The OP was meant to be a joke playing on the fact that many people here know I’m cheap, I expected a couple of joke replies and that would be it. Since people were taking it seriously I decided to play along and ask advice on how I could help someone ‘become a giant sucker’. People believed that part too and gave advice on being a big sucker. I’m sure people will be pissed at me when they figure it out but it was still fun. I have to wonder if I really come across as the type of person who would use a BOGO free coupon to make a date pay for everything then try to grope her. I need an image consultant if I come across as someone who would actually do that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-is-this-unsexy/309873.md?page=4)