# Ladies, you are just too stupid **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260 "2017-01-26T21:15:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/181 "2017-01-29T01:40:28Z")
> [@Vinum\_Lupum](#): > > So if I sign a lease for an apartment, the landlord should have the right to evict me because he changes his mind about me being inside his building? If a landlord signs the lease, he’s stuck with the legally required conditions for the duration. Being within your body is no different than being within your building. > > If you give consent, it’s for the duration of the lease term. Doesn’t matter if it’s your body or your building. The lessee must also sign the lease. Individuals who have not attained the age of majority are generally not eligible to enter into contracts without permission of a parent or guardian. Your analogy fails. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/182 "2017-01-29T01:43:29Z")
> [@Vinum\_Lupum](#): > > So if I sign a lease for an apartment, the landlord should have the right to evict me because he changes his mind about me being inside his building? If a landlord signs the lease, he’s stuck with the legally required conditions for the duration. Being within your body is no different than being within your building. > > If you give consent, it’s for the duration of the lease term. Doesn’t matter if it’s your body or your building. Bodies aren’t buildings. Your analogy fails. Women (and men) can say “stop” halfway through sex. If the partner won’t withdraw from their body, then they can use force to evict them. There’s no “contract” or “lease” for sex, or for pregnancy. ---
**Author:** ![Vinum\_Lupum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Vinum\_Lupum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vinum_Lupum)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/183 "2017-01-29T01:47:58Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That’s not a good analogy. > > Because the law permits abortion, the correct analogy would be a landlord that signs a lease in a jurisdiction that permits landlords to summarily evict tenants. A landlord in that jurisdiction accepts a tenant knowing that he (or she) retains the right of summary eviction. Yeah, you’re right. I didn’t think of that. Previous statement withdrawn. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/184 "2017-01-29T02:02:00Z")
> [@Vinum\_Lupum](#): > > Ahh. I see we are dealing with drooling morons. Is there a contract provision in the rental agreement about penises or vaginas? If so, then it’s a question about what sort of shit you can put into a contract, and the courts will enforce. If not, then your objection _doesn’t fucking apply_, moron. Which would apply to _every fucking lease agreement that’s ever been entered into_, dumbass. > > Helpful hint. No court will enforce such a provision. > > The stupidity of the lefties at this site never ceases to amaze me. Is there a contract between a clump of cells and a woman? No there is not. So, dumbass, how is it even remotely similar? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/185 "2017-01-29T02:02:38Z")
Darn. I was kind of hoping he’d try to swallow a water heater out of right-wing reality-denying spite. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/186 "2017-01-29T02:15:29Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’ve already said that on balance, Planned Parenthood does more good than harm, and that I don’t favor defunding them: > > But I further explained that the issue was not cut and dried, and explained that Planned Parenthood’s abortion activities do indirectly benefit from existing funding. I suggested controls to fix that, like requiring Planned Parenthood to treat abortion providers as tenant activities and assess them a pro-rata charge for overhead expenses. > > Didn’t I? You’re trying to have it both ways with the slightest lean towards funding PP. PP benefits from roads and electricity and plumbing and a slew of other things that the government supports. I am not sure what else you want. Your tax dollars DO NOT support abortions and have not since the late 70’s. If you want to say they get some benefit in a roundabout way then you need to point it out and you need to say how that should be stopped. I’m through guessing at what’s in your head about this. Making doctors pay something does not change how your taxes go to this. If you cannot or will not spell it out then you have to allow that you are not supporting abortions via your taxes. If you agree PP is a force to lower the abortion rate you should be donating as much as you can to them since having fewer abortions in the world is important to you and PP are probably the best at reducing the number of abortions in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Vinum\_Lupum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Vinum\_Lupum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vinum_Lupum)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/187 "2017-01-29T02:36:16Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Darn. I was kind of hoping he’d try to swallow a water heater out of right-wing reality-denying spite. Why would I do such a thing? Unlike you lefties, I ain’t stupid. Why do you assume that I am? Disagreeing with your assumptions does not automatically mean I agree with the stupid strawman you make up for me. Get it through your heads, morons. What you imagine I believe is almost certainly wrong. I don’t live in your stupid ideas of where my thoughts are. I, at least, don’t assume you are as stupid as my fellow righties assume you are. Why do you make those stupid assumptions about me? Oh, that’s right. It’s because you are all bloody stupid. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/188 "2017-01-29T02:38:24Z")
You think you are not stupid: one of the prime indicators of D-K at work. ---
**Author:** ![Vinum\_Lupum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Vinum\_Lupum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vinum_Lupum)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/189 "2017-01-29T02:41:07Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > You think you are not stupid: one of the prime indicators of D-K at work. Sez the Dunning-Kruger exemplar. Moron. You are droolingly stupid. Don’t blame me for your inability to deal with reality. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/190 "2017-01-29T03:57:54Z")
How do you know you can’t swallow a water heater? Have you ever tried? Pfffffft… quitter. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/191 "2017-01-29T05:16:21Z")
I hear they go down easier if you put them in a sock. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/192 "2017-01-29T19:43:03Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Your tax dollars DO NOT support abortions and have not since the late 70’s. If you want to say they get some benefit in a roundabout way then you need to point it out and you need to say how that should be stopped. I have, twice. Here it is a third time: the benefit to the abortion provider is the use of the Planned Parenthood facilities, like lights and a receptionist, at no cost to the abortion provider. It should be stopped by assessing the abortion provider a pro rata share of those costs. Can you explain what about this explanation is lacking? I have provided it three times, and you keep asking, but without specifying what my explanation is confusing or incomplete. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/193 "2017-01-29T20:17:10Z")
My tax dollars, by comparison, go to support _your fucking church_, just as indirectly. I object to _that_, because I am not seeing your church as a net-positive actor in the world. How should we resolve this impasse? ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/194 "2017-01-29T22:26:05Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > My tax dollars, by comparison, go to support _your fucking church_, just as indirectly. How is that? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/195 "2017-01-29T23:07:41Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > How is that? Church structures and properties are exempt from property taxes. Everywhere in the US, AFAIK. In addition, they are “non-profit” organizations, but [are _not_ required to file disclosure form 990](http://www.cardozolawreview.com/content/35-1/MONTAGUE.35.1.pdf). In other words, we cannot know what a church’s revenue stream or assets may be – the cleric may voluntarily reveal financial information, but he is at liberty to keep secret whatever he wants. Religious leaders are supposed to be honest and trustworthy, but history has not shown this to be the case. In other words, the part of the tax base that churches evade comes out of my pocket. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/196 "2017-01-29T23:25:42Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > My tax dollars, by comparison, go to support _your fucking church_, just as indirectly. I object to _that_, because I am not seeing your church as a net-positive actor in the world. How should we resolve this impasse? Same way we resolve all impasses in the public arena: elect representatives who pass laws implementing policy. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/197 "2017-01-30T01:05:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Thank you. Any comment about the 23 chromosome PAIRS issue? No. > [@](#): > > It certainly has biological resemblance to a human. It has very little physical resemblance. Biologically, it has the same chromosones as the adult into which it will grow. And that is about it. Apes have a biological resemblance to human, so that argument is pretty weak. > [@](#): > > I don’t claim that a zygote is the same thing as a real live breathing human. He or she has no lungs, for example, with which to breathe. > > And I don’t call for murder charges when a woman miscarries because I don’t contend that the facts of a miscarriage meet the elements of the crime of murder. > > Have you noticed how much you depend on mis-characterizing my arguments in order to advance your own? OK, considering how busy I’ve been, it’s quite possible that I’ve ascribed someone elses posts to you. What is your argument? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/198 "2017-01-30T03:35:52Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > > [@Bricker](#): > > > > Any comment about the 23 chromosome PAIRS issue? > > No. Why is that? You seemed intent on the suggestion that I made an error. Can you explain what the error was, specifically? Or was the error on your part? > [@](#): > > OK, considering how busy I’ve been, it’s quite possible that I’ve ascribed someone elses posts to you. What is your argument? I had two arguments. The first was a rebuttal of the claim that there exists a biological definition of what constitutes a human and that a zygote fails to qualify for that definition. Biologists define many things, to be sure, but what “human” is has not been the subject of any generally accepted definition by the biologist community. More generally, my argument is that despite the obvious and dramatic physical differences between a zygote and a newborn baby, a zygote contains what I believe to be the essential qualities of humanity. I recognize that this is simply opinion and cannot be demonstrated objectively. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/199 "2017-01-30T03:46:48Z")
I am, I suppose, a wishy-washy Pro Life/Choice advocate: I believe that abortion should be available early in pregnancy and illegal late. I am open to discussion on where that line should be. I disagree with Bricker on where the line should be drawn but I find his arguments more cogent than those who oppose. I am irritated by Pro Life proponents who just shout “murderer!” and Pro Choice proponents who insist that _any_ opposition to abortion is misogynist. Bricker’s suggestion for PP seems reasonable if one agrees that a compromise must be made. If one is not willing to compromise than of course it is unfeasible. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260/200 "2017-01-30T03:56:22Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > And if men had to face those consequences, abortions would legal and readily available at the corner drug store. Oh, cool! I love the “Let’s [pretend that 40% of women aren’t](http://www.pewforum.org/2017/01/11/public-opinion-on-abortion-2/) pro-life” game! It’s so much fun! My favorite part is where we all pretend not to know that women’s views are exactly identical to the men’s numbers! OK, I’m up. Ahem. “If men thought the way women did, abortion law would be different! But they don’t!” Hahaha, good times. How’d I do? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-you-are-just-too-stupid/778260.md?page=11)