# LadMirer shouldn't have been banned **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 29, 2004, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058 "2004-11-29T00:27:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![PaulFitzroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/2acd7d/32.png) [@PaulFitzroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PaulFitzroy)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/201 "2004-11-30T06:33:42Z")
When I originally wrote the OP, I simply meant to imply that I thought pedophiles did not have a choice in their liking of young boys. I compared it to sexual orientation (another thing that people don’t have choice over.) I really didn’t mean it as a swipe at homosexuals. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/202 "2004-11-30T09:23:37Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I wasn’t joking about anything in this thread. If you still have a problem about my joke in that other thread then post it there? Fair enough. My apologies for the tangent. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/203 "2004-11-30T14:05:39Z")
> [@PaulFitzroy](#): > > When I originally wrote the OP, I simply meant to imply that I thought pedophiles did not have a choice in their liking of young boys. I compared it to sexual orientation (another thing that people don’t have choice over.) I really didn’t mean it as a swipe at homosexuals. Fair enough. I apologize again for my overreaction. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/204 "2004-12-01T00:47:27Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m going to disagree with you, here. I’d appreciate it if more straight people would speak up when they hear something they think is homophobic. Obviosuly, this works best when they only do this in response to something that’s _actually homophobic_, but beggars can’t be choosers. > > So, despite the hard time I’ve been giving you here, **Diogenes** , I do appreciate your intent. It’s just the execution I have problems with. I’d appreciate it if it wasn’t accompanied by unproven claims about the cause of pedophilia and hysterical, antisocial screamfests at everyone who dares to disagree. Like I said, he doesn’t have the right to speak for us. He has every right to stand up and point out offensive comments against any group - I’m white, but I certainly don’t let racist comments stand unchallenged. He doesn’t, however, have the right to act as though he represents us, and in a terrible light at that. My beef with DtC right now is because he was being a complete asshole; the bit about how he can’t speak for gay people is pretty secondary. But when someone’s being an absolute fucking jerk and a moron at the same time, I prefer it if they not drag the queers into it. Or any other group, for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/205 "2004-12-01T00:53:31Z")
Please show me where I ever pretended to speak for gay people. If I was gay would you still say I didn’t have the right to be offended? ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/206 "2004-12-01T01:02:24Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Please show me where I ever pretended to speak for gay people. If I was gay would you still say I didn’t have the right to be offended? You may not have declared it, but you implied it strongly. And yes, you had no right to be offended at the post you freaked out over, whether straight or gay. Because it wasn’t offended. And you had no right to turn what might have been an interesting thread into yet another “Diogenes versus Everyone Else” pay-attention-to-me waste of electrons. Gay people don’t have that right either, and I’ve condemned spectrum for it too. But like I said, I was just pissed off because you were being a total fucking asshole, and I don’t like my personal minority group dragged into your little screaming parties. It’s bad enough that we liberal folk get accused of taking offense at everything everyone says. That one will get ten times worst if we start doing it the way you do. So, yeah, I take it a little personally when you do it on behalf of the queers. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/207 "2004-12-01T01:06:55Z")
I didn’t “drag” gay people into anything, nor did I claim to speak for them so just fuck right off, ok. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/208 "2004-12-01T05:16:34Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I didn’t “drag” gay people into anything, nor did I claim to speak for them so just fuck right off, ok. Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! Looks like I’m about to get him to explode again, folks! Dio, are you actually a hard-core Republican who does this just to make the left look stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/209 "2004-12-02T15:52:48Z")
**DtC** , may I suggest you stay out of threads that involve underage sex? Your posts in these threads seem do nothing except make you look like a raving lunatic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058.md?page=10)