# LadMirer shouldn't have been banned **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 29, 2004, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058 "2004-11-29T00:27:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![pervert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbe5ce/32.png) [@pervert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pervert)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/121 "2004-11-29T06:19:55Z")
Welcome back indeed, and cudos for a classy admition. Uh, do I still get to be your bitch? I bought the outfit and everything. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/122 "2004-11-29T06:26:18Z")
> [@pervert](#): > > Welcome back indeed, and cudos for a classy admition. > > Uh, do I still get to be your bitch? I bought the outfit and everything. šŸ˜ƒ Sorry I called you a bitch. I hope you can return the studded dog collar. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/123 "2004-11-29T06:29:01Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Keeping in mind that \*\* Diogenes \*\* believes that teens who have been attracted to older people are likely former victims of abuse, and permanently damaged (regardless of what the supposed victim says), I strongly doubt heā€™s going to move an inch away from his current stance when weā€™re discussing about actual kids. You said it. I never realized what a raving nutjob psycho **Dio** was until I read the following exchange from page 1 of [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=286609&page=1&pp=50): > [@Athena](#): > > When I was 16, I had a boyfriend who was 3 or 4 years older than I, and yeah, we jumped in bed like hot bunnies anytime we could. According to Diogenes, that guy should be rotting in jail now. Fuck that! It was COMPLETELY consentual, I ended up dating the guy for FOUR years, and there is NO WAY IN HELL that you could convince me that he did anything wrong. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Athena, Iā€™m sorry you were exploited that way and the guy who raped you deserves to be eating rats in a cell right now. The number of levels on which his response was wrong boggles the mind. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/124 "2004-11-29T06:35:21Z")
As much as **Diogenes The Cynicā€™s** alter-ego **Diogenes The Raving Lunatic** gets on my nerves sometimes, I am almost certain that that was a joke, as you can see if you read on in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![pervert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbe5ce/32.png) [@pervert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pervert)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/125 "2004-11-29T06:37:39Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Sorry I called you a bitch. I hope you can return the studded dog collar. šŸ˜‰ No, its a whole outfit. Not exactly a gimp suit, but it has a harness and littleā€¦ Ok, I probably should not go there. P.S. Donā€™t sweat the other bit. You were in the moment. I would not have read this thread at all if not for the shear entertainment of you going off like that. I hope that does not sound insulting. It is not meant to be. P.P.S. I should probably admit that I did not exactly buy the outfit for you. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/126 "2004-11-29T06:49:30Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I donā€™t feel like it. So there. What are you going to do, sue me? No, just laugh at you. And maybe pity you a bit. > [@DtC](#): > > Reject my assertion. I donā€™t care. I donā€™t give two hoots in hell about your assertion. All I was really interested in was puncturing your ridiculously stupid ā€œIā€™m a big pussy whoā€™s afraid to type a word into a search engineā€ excuse. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/127 "2004-11-29T06:53:36Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > No, just laugh at you. And maybe pity you a bit. > > I donā€™t give two hoots in hell about your assertion. All I was really interested in was puncturing your ridiculously stupid ā€œIā€™m a big pussy whoā€™s afraid to type a word into a search engineā€ excuse. No one proved me wrong, did they? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/128 "2004-11-29T07:04:48Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > No one proved me wrong, did they? Wow. Which part of I didnā€™t give a shit about your assertion, I was looking to strip away your bullshit excuse for not backing it up confused you the first time I said it? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/129 "2004-11-29T07:06:19Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Wow. Which part of I didnā€™t give a shit about your assertion, I was looking to strip away your bullshit excuse for not backing it up confused you the first time I said it? I didnā€™t need an excuse. I tried to look it up. I couldnā€™t find any good stats one way or the other. I said as much and I asked for help. Npw please, go fuck yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/130 "2004-11-29T07:07:12Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > No one proved me wrong, did they? Neither did you prove yourself correct, nor prove any of the other theories wrong. The fact is, there is not enough information for you to claim your assertion as fact. Youā€™ve yet to admit that, that Iā€™ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/131 "2004-11-29T07:11:36Z")
Actually, **mhendo** posted two different cites which would tend to support me. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/132 "2004-11-29T07:17:29Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Actually, **mhendo** posted two different cites which would tend to support me. They do no such thing. Your contention is that childhood sexual abuse is the cause of nearly 100% of cases of pedophilia. The cites by **mhendo** do identify childhood sexual abuse as a primary _risk factor_, but do not claim it to be a root cause. The underlying cause, in fact, was specifically stated to be unknown. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/133 "2004-11-29T07:21:49Z")
> [@Q.E.D.](#): > > They do no such thing. Your contention is that childhood sexual abuse is the cause of nearly 100% of cases of pedophilia. The cites by **mhendo** do identify childhood sexual abuse as a primary _risk factor_, but do not claim it to be a root cause. The underlying cause, in fact, was specifically stated to be unknown. To be orecise, I only said there was a near 100% _correlation_, not cause. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/134 "2004-11-29T07:31:08Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > To be orecise, I only said there was a near 100% _correlation_, not cause. Yes, but statements like this one in post #36 of this thread: > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Pedophilia is a pathology created by early childhood trauma, usually sexual trauma. certainly imply that you are equatiing the correlation with causation. Donā€™t be disingenuous. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/135 "2004-11-29T07:35:00Z")
> [@Q.E.D.](#): > > Yes, but statements like this one in post #36 of this thread: > > certainly imply that you are equatiing the correlation with causation. Donā€™t be disingenuous. I think causation is a reasonable inference when no other variable seems to be so consistent. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/136 "2004-11-29T07:38:21Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I think causation is a reasonable inference when no other variable seems to be so consistent. And thatā€™s where your error is. 'Tis a basic tenet of science that correlation != causation. It may be, as you say, a reasonable inference but you can not assert it as proven fact, as you have done. ---
**Author:** ![pervert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbe5ce/32.png) [@pervert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pervert)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/137 "2004-11-29T07:49:31Z")
May I ask, did any of the cites even confirm the ā€œnearly 100% correlation?ā€ They looked to me as if they only found a sort of ā€œmost popular risk factorā€ correlation. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/138 "2004-11-29T08:13:43Z")
> [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > As much as **Diogenes The Cynicā€™s** alter-ego **Diogenes The Raving Lunatic** gets on my nerves sometimes, I am almost certain that that was a joke, as you can see if you read on in the thread. His writing it off as an overly dry joke rings untrue to me, especially considering all his posts in between. I read it as Athena let him off the hook, and he jumped at the chance to put his overly emotional, reactionary hyperbole behind him. Perhaps he would be kind enough to do so again in this thread. If someone would just come along and post that they got a good laugh out of his posts here, maybe he would reply that he was glad somebody finally got the joke. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/139 "2004-11-29T08:16:58Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#): > > His writing it off as an overly dry joke rings untrue to me, especially considering all his posts in between. I read it as Athena let him off the hook, and he jumped at the chance to put his overly emotional, reactionary hyperbole behind him. Perhaps he would be kind enough to do so again in this thread. If someone would just come along and post that they got a good laugh out of his posts here, maybe he would reply that he was glad somebody finally got the joke. I wasnā€™t joking about anything in this thread. If you still have a problem about my joke in that other thread then post it there? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058/140 "2004-11-29T08:19:54Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > In retrospect, maybe I overracted to **PaulFitroyā€™s** Op and inferred what he did not intend to imply. > > I should have just asked for a cite for his statement that pedophiles are born that way and left it at that. > > I apologize to the OP. Very classy, Dio. I was about to remind you that he compared the inbornness _both_ to homo _and_ hetero sexuality. Therefore, he could not have been comparing pedophilia to homosexuality alone. Apparently, you figured that out for yourself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladmirer-shouldnt-have-been-banned/277058.md?page=8)