# ladyfoxfyre \>\> step in please **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 14, 2007, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961 "2007-06-14T04:49:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/41 "2007-06-14T18:07:25Z")
Very well said **ladyfoxfyre** , very well said. I will add that every physician I’ve ever had any interaction with (and it’s quite a few, as I work at a medical school) agrees that when it comes to drug stuff, they defer to the pharmacist as the phamacist receives MUCH more training. Honestly, pharmacology and thereapeutics is a tiny portion of most medical school curriculums, whereas it’s the enter point of a pharmacy degree. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/42 "2007-06-14T18:11:26Z")
If you think you’ve been wronged by the pharmacist, contact the appropriate licensing authority in Maryland and file a complaint. If the pharmacist has broken the law, there will be an investigation. ---
**Author:** ![ThisSpaceForRent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisspaceforrent/32/345_2.png) [@ThisSpaceForRent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisSpaceForRent)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/43 "2007-06-14T18:11:49Z")
\<\\>… Thank my stars that I don’t have to regulate the bagels and espresso drinks… tsfr edit for poor spelling :smack: ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/44 "2007-06-14T18:34:52Z")
[QUOTE=ThisSpaceForRent] Thank my stars that I don’t have to regulate the bagels and espresso drinks… [/QUOTE] Give it time. If the nannyism illustrated so vividly in this thread continues to spread apace, one day you probably will. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/45 "2007-06-14T18:34:55Z")
[QUOTE=ThisSpaceForRent] \<\\>… Thank my stars that I don’t have to regulate the bagels and espresso drinks… tsfr edit for poor spelling :smack: [/QUOTE] Maybe you should. Have you seen the effects of long term espresso abuse? It’s no joking matter. I won’t even get into the bagel problem. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/46 "2007-06-14T18:39:06Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] Give it time. If the nannyism illustrated so vividly in this thread continues to spread apace, one day you probably will. [/QUOTE] Give me a fucking break. Nannyism? What the fuck does that mean? Should pharmacies have a big jar of vicodin on the counter so you can take as many as you feel like or should they be actually there to treat sick people. There are already plenty of people making a living taking care of people’s opiate habits. They just don’t take Blue Cross. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/47 "2007-06-14T18:58:29Z")
Neither does my liquor store. On the other hand, not once have they ever sniffed and scolded me for returning “too soon” to purchase something from them. It’s almost as though they consider me an adult, able to make my own choices about what to put into my body. I know it’s quite the alien concept in this age. Quaint, in its way. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/48 "2007-06-14T19:08:14Z")
Chalk me up as another one who is suspicious of the story. In fact, I have heard that _exact_ story before. More than once. From people on probation for felony prescription forgery. The OP sounds just like the thousands of other addicts I have come in contact with, right down to getting really pissed when they get called out on their shit. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/49 "2007-06-14T19:12:12Z")
Brava, **ladyfoxfyre**. You speak from the voice of experience. I’m sure after several years in the pharmacy business you have a strong Spideysense about such things. Ivylad is currently taking oxycodone for break-through pain management. He is taking dilotid (sp?) through a pump under his skin. Chronic pain is no joke. He’s never had a problem filling his meds. The rules and laws are in place for a reason, both to protect the pharmacist but also the patient. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/50 "2007-06-14T19:16:12Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] Neither does my liquor store. On the other hand, not once have they ever sniffed and scolded me for returning “too soon” to purchase something from them. [/QUOTE] Of course, alcohol isn’t a prescription drug, and its recreational use is not only legal, but primary. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/51 "2007-06-14T19:18:33Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] Neither does my liquor store. On the other hand, not once have they ever sniffed and scolded me for returning “too soon” to purchase something from them. It’s almost as though they consider me an adult, able to make my own choices about what to put into my body. I know it’s quite the alien concept in this age. Quaint, in its way. [/QUOTE] Your liquor store might not care, but I bet your bartender does. Bars have been held liable if they serve too much past the point of intoxication and the individual injures themself or someone else, and the injured person sues. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/52 "2007-06-14T19:20:59Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] Neither does my liquor store. On the other hand, not once have they ever sniffed and scolded me for returning “too soon” to purchase something from them. It’s almost as though they consider me an adult, able to make my own choices about what to put into my body. I know it’s quite the alien concept in this age. Quaint, in its way. [/QUOTE] It’s not a matter of treating you like an adult. Everyone can not be expected to go through the level education it takes to make medical diagnoses. Every idiot should not be given the keys to the pharmacy. You really think it would be a good idea to just let everyone self diagnose and self medicate for all medical conditions? What a stupid idea. It is not at all the same as when you go into a store to buy your daily twelve pack of Milwaukee 's Best. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/53 "2007-06-14T19:23:29Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] Neither does my liquor store. On the other hand, not once have they ever sniffed and scolded me for returning “too soon” to purchase something from them. It’s almost as though they consider me an adult, able to make my own choices about what to put into my body. I know it’s quite the alien concept in this age. Quaint, in its way. [/QUOTE] Neither does your bottle have a limited daily use that has been determined by a medical professional. If it were really about being an adult, writing prescriptions wouldn’t require a medical license and degree, you idiot. Your effort at turning this into an issue about personal responsibility is really ridiculous, considering the people who are abusing the system are really the epitome of irresponsibility. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/54 "2007-06-14T19:26:01Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] Ivylad is currently taking oxycodone for break-through pain management. He is taking dilotid (sp?) through a pump under his skin. Chronic pain is no joke. He’s never had a problem filling his meds. The rules and laws are in place for a reason, both to protect the pharmacist but also the patient. [/QUOTE] Exactly, and it’s not me that is minimizing the real debilitating chronic pain experienced by many, but the people who seek to exploit other people’s suffering for their own sad addiction. If you play by the rules, you don’t get any guff from me. The second you start trying to swindle me, expect it to be much more difficult in the future. I promise I am not the only one of this mindset. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/55 "2007-06-14T19:28:23Z")
Nannyism is worthy of a whole 'nother debate. On the one hand, **Liberal** make a lot of sense; adults should be able to do what they want, if it hurts no one else. That’s probably where the debate comes in; does an opiate junkie hurt no one else? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/56 "2007-06-14T19:30:54Z")
[QUOTE=featherlou] Nannyism is worthy of a whole 'nother debate. On the one hand, **Liberal** make a lot of sense; adults should be able to do what they want, if it hurts no one else. That’s probably where the debate comes in; does an opiate junkie hurt no one else? [/QUOTE] Only everyone they know. Maybe we could just put them on an island somewhere with a mountain of vicodin. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/57 "2007-06-14T19:33:24Z")
[QUOTE=featherlou] does an opiate junkie hurt no one else? [/QUOTE] Rush Limbaugh has destroyed the minds of millions. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/58 "2007-06-14T19:36:42Z")
Well, a lot of the addicts I see are on Medicaid. They hurt the taxpayers by spending our money on frivolous medication. Many of them have kids. They’re passing on a behavior of addiction to their children. I don’t know how productive you can really be at work while maintaining an addiction to hydrocodone or any other opiate derivative, many ex-addicts from this board have commented about how much better their interactions both at work and home were after they got clean. If you have a job that requires any amount of attention to detail, I can see where an addict would be less capable than a non-addict given their state of mind. They’re decreasing the legitimacy of claims made by people in real pain. Doctors are trained to be on the lookout for “drug seeking behavior”. Yeah, I’d say they do hurt people with their addiction. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/59 "2007-06-14T19:37:03Z")
[QUOTE=ladyfoxfyre] Exactly, and it’s not me that is minimizing the real debilitating chronic pain experienced by many, but the people who seek to exploit other people’s suffering for their own sad addiction. If you play by the rules, you don’t get any guff from me. The second you start trying to swindle me, expect it to be much more difficult in the future. I promise I am not the only one of this mindset. [/QUOTE] Let me ask, since you’re here - what do you do when \*\*ivylass \*\*comes in to refill her husband’s pain medicine early because the dog ate it/it dropped and broke open/they miscalculated the dose last Thursday/they left the bottle in Florida over the weekend? That is, how do (or do) you differentiate between addiction feeding behavior and a real honest mistake? (I keep re-writing this because it sounds confrontational, and that’s not the tone I mean it to have, but I can’t seem to get the “oh, YEAH?” out of it. I apologize for that. This really is an honest, no-agenda curiosity. I’m not trying to be Socratic here, I’m really wondering.) ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961/60 "2007-06-14T19:40:30Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] Neither does my liquor store. On the other hand, not once have they ever sniffed and scolded me for returning “too soon” to purchase something from them. It’s almost as though they consider me an adult, able to make my own choices about what to put into my body. [/QUOTE] Then I’m guessing you’ve never gone in visibly drunk. Show up drunk and see how much liquor they sell you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladyfoxfyre-step-in-please/407961.md?page=4)