# lame 'naked archelologist' pitting **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 16, 2009, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588 "2009-01-16T13:43:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/1 "2009-01-16T13:43:38Z")
what a fucking jackass … heis in some turquoise mine looking for grafitti … so he fids some, he claims to be alphabetical, and mentioning the single diety ‘el’ … so there he is pointing it out. Oddly enough, it is written vertically, not horizontally … and i see : the wavy line glyph that is water the funny glyph that is an arch on top of a square the funny shepherds crook glyph the sort of oblong oval ‘hand’ glyph sorry, it has been too many years since i played with the egyptian book of the dead that had the heiroglyphs, transliterations and translations, but I recognize the damned things … what the fucking hell? does he think we are all idiots that cant recognize heiroglyphics when we see them? ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/2 "2009-01-16T13:46:19Z")
If he finds three more glyphs, he can dial up the Stargate and go home. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/3 "2009-01-16T13:52:49Z")
I’m not trying to be snarky, I have no idea what you are talking about. What point was he trying to make? What did he do wrong? Was something faked? I’m not disagreeing with you. I don’t understand what you are getting at. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/4 "2009-01-16T14:07:55Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I’m not trying to be snarky, I have no idea what you are talking about. What point was he trying to make? What did he do wrong? Was something faked? I’m not disagreeing with you. I don’t understand what you are getting at. Hm, to try and make it succinct - he is an Israeli, and trying to find evidence of the jews in egypt, and he is claiming that it happened in a specific timeframe, and part of his evidence is that the slaves working this particular mine were jews … Now, egyptians used pictograms called heiroglyphs instead of an ABC alphabet, so you have little pictures making up words, sort of like those rebus puzzles that used to be popular. So a word for harem in egyptian is ’ 'pt ’ pronounced ‘ie-pet’ and written with a little glyph that is pronounced with an ieee sound, followed by a glyph pronounced hpet … which if I vaguely remember is a funny slug loking glyph over a funny hand glyph instead of the 3 letters i p and t. So, instead of finding writing made of single squiggles that are proto-aramaic, he found classic egyptian heiroglyps, that were recognizable as heiroglyphs. He claimed that they were letters not glyphs. But then again, late period egyptians used an alphabetic writing called heiratic, that looks like proto arabic=) but that is way way late in their history. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/5 "2009-01-16T14:15:43Z")
Yeah, you’re right. It’s a lame pitting. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/6 "2009-01-16T14:30:09Z")
Trying to restrain myself… Failing, sorry. Hieroglyphs. Hieratic. Was he claiming it was a Jewish form of writing, or just a Jewish word written in an Egyptian way? ---
**Author:** ![redtail23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3e96dc/32.png) [@redtail23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/redtail23)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/7 "2009-01-16T14:43:36Z")
It’s a crap show. I watched the first couple for as long as I could stand and have avoided it since. Here’s how a show goes (since the MO appears to be unchanged): “Naked Archeologist” picks some religious story or event and decides to go prove that it happened / happened the way he wants. “Naked Archeologist” travels to location where said event supposedly occurred. “Naked Archeologist” gets shown around event location by local experts or whomever. “Naked Archeologist” ignores all evidence except what little he can find to support his story, mis-interprets evidence as needed to support his story, makes up whatever is needed to support his story, etc. “Naked Archeologist” pretends that he’s proved his story to be true “by science!” Utter, complete garbage. Pisses me right off, it does. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/8 "2009-01-16T15:13:58Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > If he finds three more glyphs, he can dial up the Stargate and go home. That sounds like Wraith talk. Everybody, get him! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/9 "2009-01-16T15:18:29Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Hm, to try and make it succinct - he is an Israeli, No, he is a Canadian. Lame pitting. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/10 "2009-01-16T15:24:47Z")
> [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](#): > > Trying to restrain myself… > > Failing, sorry. Hieroglyphs. Hieratic. > > Was he claiming it was a Jewish form of writing, or just a Jewish word written in an Egyptian way? he was claiming that it was written in an alphabet instead of in glyphs … by ancient jews. i before e e before i - i really dont give a crap, deal with it. you understood what i was getting at obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/11 "2009-01-16T15:43:36Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > i before e e before i - i really dont give a crap, deal with it. you understood what i was getting at obviously. I thought it was “feather before squiggly line, except after guy with flail.” ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/12 "2009-01-16T15:46:09Z")
That sounds pretty stupid, then. I understood what you were getting at, but as a person pitting someone for getting stuff wrong about history, I thought you might ‘give a crap’. ---
**Author:** ![jali](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecae2f/32.png) [@jali](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jali)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/13 "2009-01-16T15:52:41Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > what a fucking jackass … heis in some turquoise mine looking for grafitti … > > so he fids some, he claims to be alphabetical, and mentioning the single diety ‘el’ … > > so there he is pointing it out. > > **O** ddly enough, it is written vertically, not horizontally .. and i see : > > the wavy line glyph that is water > the funny glyph that is an arch on top of a square > the funny shepherds crook glyph > the sort of oblong oval ‘hand’ glyph > > sorry, it has been too many years since i played with the egyptian book of the dead that had the heiroglyphs, transliterations and translations, but I recognize the damned things … > > what the fucking hell? does he think we are all idiots that cant recognize heiroglyphics when we see them? (Bolding and coloring mine.) What does that one capital letter in your OP mean? Is there a hidden message there for future Naked Archeologists to find? ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/14 "2009-01-16T16:01:32Z")
It’s an acrostic. Her secret message is: “Oh!” (This is mostly meant to mock people like this “archaeologist” who do seriously come up with theories like that) ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/15 "2009-01-16T16:02:06Z")
> [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](#): > > That sounds pretty stupid, then. > > I understood what you were getting at, but as a person pitting someone for getting stuff wrong about history, I thought you might ‘give a crap’. well, i did say it was a lame pitting … but in a sense, even though i dont have a dog in this fight, way too many people get their only education from tv documentaries … so it would be nice to actually get things more correct … i have no problem with speculation, but putting it forth as actual proof i would hope that they would get it correct. to sit there and point out an actual egyptial glyph, that is recognizable as a specific glyph, and claim it is a protoletter in a protoalphabet is just plain stupid. these are the [hiroglyphs](http://www.ctlibrarians.org/events/roundtables/childrens4/wdsr/docs/hieroglyphics.jpg) these are [demotic](http://z.hubpages.com/u/293099_f260.jpg) script, which is a more alphabetic version of hiroglyphs, sort of a scribal shorthand, for less ceremonial uses like inventories and such. this is [amharic](http://www.telecom.net.et/~bdu/BDUFOTO/amharic.gif) - what the nekkid dude should have been looking for. I will conceed that you might be able to mix up amharic and demotic, but not hiroglyphs and amharic … ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/16 "2009-01-16T16:02:28Z")
And here I was, hoping this thread would somehow involve Lara Croft… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/17 "2009-01-16T16:06:17Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Hm, to try and make it succinct - he is an Israeli, and trying to find evidence of the jews in egypt . . . Ah. Well, that’s [probably bullshit.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_Unearthed) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/18 "2009-01-16T16:07:42Z")
[This](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_archaeologist#Controversy) is interesting: > [@](#): > > Jacobovici sometimes makes claims that are not endorsed by most scholars. In this episode he makes the argument that Hebrew slaves invented the Proto-Sinaitic script, the first known consonantory script. He claims a connection between a possible reference to El at Wadi el-Hol and the God worshiped by the ancient Israelites. The El name was also used by other Semitic peoples and can be a Proto-Semitic root that simply means “a god” as opposed to any specific deity. > > He also claims that the script found at Serabit el-Khadim reflects a Hebrew slave praying to his God. The script remains largely undeciphered and other theories have the wording read “to Baalat” which is possibly a reference to the Egyptian goddess Hathor or a Semitic goddess. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/19 "2009-01-16T16:10:18Z")
Did the the writing say something about the Grail being in Castle AAAaaarrrggggghhhhhh? ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588/20 "2009-01-16T16:10:42Z")
And all this is why I am neither an archaeologist nor a prehistorian. You can make up anything. (Sorry, prehistorian friends of mine. You know I love you.) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lame-naked-archelologist-pitting/481588.md?page=2)