# LAPD as judge, jury, and executioner **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 9, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787 "2013-02-09T15:07:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/201 "2013-02-11T22:06:54Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It failed. If you’re a disingenuous creep intent on painting a target, I’m not surprised. Keep trying. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/202 "2013-02-11T22:17:42Z")
And we’re down to one-liners. With luck I can get back to talking to the adults now. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/203 "2013-02-11T22:28:08Z")
Y’know there’ve been plenty of spree killers who were disgruntled employees who claimed they’d been mistreated. Is it possible that Dormer really was framed by the LAPD? Sure. It’s also possible that the last guy who went postal after being fired really was unjustly fired. However, until being presented with really compelling evidence that the guy who went postal was unjustifiably fired, I’m going to assume that the guy who massacred a bunch of people deserved to be fired. Similarly, until compelling evidence is put forward showing Dormer was mistreated I’m going to assume that whoever fired him was right and, on top of that, probably a good judge of character. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/204 "2013-02-11T22:33:50Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > And we’re down to one-liners. With luck I can get back to talking to the adults now. Yes we are. I gave you plenty of chances at adult discourse, like when I asked you to please be specific about your gripe and you characterized it as nitpicking because murder. Not to mention this: > [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t blame you if you’re ignoring **Pedro** ’s posts, **Labrador Deceiver** , but the backhanded excuses are hard to miss. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/205 "2013-02-11T22:38:39Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Similarly, until compelling evidence is put forward showing Dormer was mistreated I’m going to assume that whoever fired him was right and, on top of that, probably a good judge of character. Sure, that’s just what he wants you to think. That way, nobody will suspect that HE is the mastermind behind the plot to poison the water supply. He’ll get away with it too, unless Dorner (and the plucky yet cute computer scientist, who also recently widowed and raising a son on her own) blows the lid off the whole scheme! ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/206 "2013-02-11T22:44:41Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I’m surprised at your registration date because obvious annoying troll behavior usually gets you a reputation pretty fast around here. You’ve basically spent this whole thread posting unintelligent, contradictory, and basically vapid comments. Lacking in all content and being filled with childish insults. Finally the coup de grace is the move from the third graders playbook equivalent to holding a finger one inch from someone and saying “I’m not touching you!” over and over again.. I also find you unintelligent so at least that’s something we share in common. > [@](#): > > You can’t post dozens of stupid shit trying to sympathize with Dorner and then get uppity because people draw conclusions. That’s like me saying “man, Hitler was a great guy and I really like the stuff he did.” And then saying “killing Jews is bad” and then saying “Hitler was a great guy” and then when someone says I am defending the holocaust arguing “you need to take my word that I think killing Jews is bad.” It’s schizophrenic behavior, stupid, and no one has to buy into it. Gotta love the irony, from someone who accuses me of being vapid. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/207 "2013-02-11T22:50:07Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Sure, that’s just what he wants you to think. That way, nobody will suspect that HE is the mastermind behind the plot to poison the water supply. He’ll get away with it too, unless Dorner (and the plucky yet cute computer scientist, who also recently widowed and raising a son on her own) blows the lid off the whole scheme! Lets not forget those meddling kids! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/208 "2013-02-11T22:59:29Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Yes we are. I gave you plenty of chances at adult discourse, like when I asked you to please be specific about your gripe and you characterized it as nitpicking because murder. And I was right. If you’re trolling, you don’t have enough nerve to stand behind what you wrote, so you’ll never be any good at it. If you’re arguing sincerely, you’re a coward in addition to being a whiny idiot. You da man. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/209 "2013-02-11T23:09:40Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > And I was right. If you’re trolling, you don’t have enough nerve to stand behind what you wrote, so you’ll never be any good at it. If you’re arguing sincerely, you’re a coward in addition to being a whiny idiot. You da man. Troll? Coward? You really think such weak sauce is going to push my buttons? I’m insulted man. I may come back to give you another verbal beat down, time permitting. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/210 "2013-02-11T23:13:31Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I’m insulted man. That was the general idea. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/211 "2013-02-11T23:33:56Z")
Because this deserves answering: > [@Marley23](#): > > There’s no difference. If you’re saying it’s up for debate, that means it might have been necessary. Otherwise there’s nothing to debate. This goes back to the disingenuous jerk thing. Ok, I’ll give you that. I didn’t say on which side of that debate I would be, if I were to be somehow dragged into such a thing. Hint: I don’t think it was necessary. I never said it and I don’t believe it. That doesn’t negate whatever positive outcome might come out of this tragic turn of events, like cleaning up the LAPD and clearing Dorner’s name in his employment dispute, if indeed he was wrongfully discharged for whistleblowing, like I believe he was. And if you (and I mean general you here, not **Marley23** , not anyone in specific - I don’t think that breaks any pit rules) ask me if that justifies murder, fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/212 "2013-02-11T23:48:40Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > That doesn’t negate whatever positive outcome might come out of this tragic turn of events, like cleaning up the LAPD and clearing Dorner’s name in his employment dispute, if indeed he was wrongfully discharged for whistleblowing, **like I believe he was.** (bolding mine)Why do you believe that he in particular was discharged for whistleblowing? Do you have any cites, or is this just an unsubstantiated excuse? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/213 "2013-02-11T23:50:37Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Sure, that’s just what he wants you to think. That way, nobody will suspect that HE is the mastermind behind the plot to poison the water supply. He’ll get away with it too, unless Dorner (and the plucky yet cute computer scientist, who also recently widowed and raising a son on her own) blows the lid off the whole scheme! Oh God, I nearly spit up coffee all over my keyboard. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/214 "2013-02-11T23:56:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > (bolding mine)Why do you believe that he in particular was discharged for whistleblowing? Do you have any cites, or is this just an unsubstantiated excuse? Can’t it be just opinion? I believe it because of what he wrote in his manifesto. EDIT: And of course also because of the history of racism, corruption and collusion in the LAPD. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/215 "2013-02-12T00:01:36Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Can’t it be just opinion? > > I believe it because of what he wrote in his manifesto. > > EDIT: And of course also because of the history of racism, corruption and collusion in the LAPD. You believe what he wrote without any substantiation whatsoever, and you aren’t on his side? ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/216 "2013-02-12T00:05:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You believe what he wrote without any substantiation whatsoever, and you aren’t on his side? You’ll have to explain why that is so puzzling to you. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/217 "2013-02-12T00:08:49Z")
You could also explain how many sides there are and why I have to take one. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/218 "2013-02-12T00:13:22Z")
Finally **Czarcasm** , you should know that I think you are absolutely incapable of putting forth an argument in good faith and need to improve on your baiting. Please continue. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/219 "2013-02-12T00:29:15Z")
That’s the difference then! I’m not willing to be an apologist, and give them the benefit of the doubt, 'cause, hey, it wasn’t my elderly Mom. Unlike yourself. Can’t make head or tail of the rest of your post though. I’m neither wanting to, nor ever going to shoot at anyone’s car though, if that helps any to allay your fears. Cops should be held to a higher standard than Joe Citizen, we trust them with both power and weapons. If you or I would be jailed and tried for shooting someone in the street without cause, they should be too, sorry that ‘but I was fighting crime’, when there is none in evidence, should not give them an instant pass. Why do they still have jobs? Why are they still on the payroll? Because they correctly feel like a protected class. Even for shooting innocent women in the street. Seems more like a lesser standard from where I sit, not a higher one. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/220 "2013-02-12T00:31:01Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > You could also explain how many sides there are and why I have to take one. You have no doubt about any of his rambling manifesto, even though he has murdered innocent civilians? This act does not raise doubt in your mind as to his sanity and/or ability to tell truth from falsehood? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787.md?page=12)