# LAPD as judge, jury, and executioner **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 9, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787 "2013-02-09T15:07:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/221 "2013-02-12T01:01:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You have no doubt about any of his rambling manifesto, even though he has murdered innocent civilians? This act does not raise doubt in your mind as to his sanity and/or ability to tell truth from falsehood? Is this how this is gonna play out? You’re going to ignore what I said and just expect me to trip up with your transparent baiting? You need to start paying more attention. I didn’t say no doub, I said belief. You’ve never held a belief? Would you say you have no doubts whatsoever about everything you believe? Do you believe your neighbors to maintain proper bodily hygene? And you have NO DOUBT about that? He’s manifesto his rambling in parts, cogent in others. Like the part where it covers abuse of power and the blue wall in the LAPD. Yes this act does make me question his sanity. If you want to go there it could make for an interesting topic of conversation. I’m not an expert in mental health by the way. It should provide plenty of fodder to try to twist everything I say into murder apology. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/222 "2013-02-12T01:13:19Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Ok, I’ll give you that. I didn’t say on which side of that debate I would be, if I were to be somehow dragged into such a thing. You’re still doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/223 "2013-02-12T01:14:44Z")
To be clear, I questioned his sanity and came to the tentative conclusion that he is sane. That’s called forming an opinion. Or unsubstanciated excuses, in your lexicon. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/224 "2013-02-12T01:17:01Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You’re still doing it. Are you playing imbecile tag team with **Czarcasm**? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/225 "2013-02-12T01:28:59Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Are you playing imbecile tag team with **Czarcasm**? You’re it. And I didn’t need to say anything else. You owned up to what I said about that post and then immediately did the same thing again with that ‘I’m not saying what side of the debate I would be on’ thing. It takes very few words to say that his killing spree was unnecessary. Most people wouldn’t hesitate to do so. In fact most people would never suggest it might possibly have been necessary because he’s murdered two innocent people and one cop who was doing his job. The fact that you keep dithering about this simple point speaks volumes. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/226 "2013-02-12T01:31:36Z")
I have to confess it’s been quite while since I heard someone use the term “imbecile”. I thought it was one of those terms that had disappeared quite a while ago. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/227 "2013-02-12T01:38:33Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You’re it. And I didn’t need to say anything else. You owned up to what I said about that post and then immediately did the same thing again with that ‘I’m not saying what side of the debate I would be on’ thing. It takes very few words to say that his killing spree was unnecessary. Most people wouldn’t hesitate to do so. In fact most people would never suggest it might possibly have been necessary because he’s murdered two innocent people and one cop who was doing his job. The fact that you keep dithering about this simple point speaks volumes. Dude, you’re just becoming sad and pathetic now and it’s killing my buzz, because I feel like I’m kicking a disabled person here and that sucks. Here’s what I said: > [@](#): > > I didn’t say on which side of that debate I would be, if I were to be somehow dragged into such a thing. **Hint: I don’t think it was necessary. I never said it and I don’t believe it.** ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/228 "2013-02-12T01:48:26Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I have to confess it’s been quite while since I heard someone use the term “imbecile”. > > I thought it was one of those terms that had disappeared quite a while ago. I think we would get fairly frequent exposure to usage of the word if the board had somewhat less stringent rules against insulting other posters outside the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/229 "2013-02-12T02:21:53Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Here’s what I said: Are you saying the debate isn’t necessary or that taking a side isn’t necessary? I thought you were saying taking a side isn’t necessary because you’ve used this “I’m not saying … but I’m just saying!” tactic over and over. Are you saying there’s no need to have this debate because it’s obvious that this murder spree wasn’t a necessary response to Dorner losing his job with the LAPD? ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/230 "2013-02-12T02:32:05Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Are you saying the debate isn’t necessary or that taking a side isn’t necessary? I thought you were saying taking a side isn’t necessary because you’ve used this “I’m not saying … but I’m just saying!” tactic over and over. Are you saying there’s no need to have this debate because it’s obvious that this murder spree wasn’t a necessary response to Dorner losing his job with the LAPD? I was saying “Hint: I don’t think a killing spree was necessary for Dorner”, hence I would be on everyone else’s side of the “debate” on the necessity of murder to solve work related issues. Then we could have one of those good old wank fests you enjoy so much instead of discussing your stupid fucking accusations. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/231 "2013-02-12T02:34:15Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I was saying “Hint: I don’t think a killing spree was necessary for Dorner”, hence I would be on everyone else’s side of the “debate” on the necessity of murder to solve work related issues. OK. It took a lot of tooth-pulling, but there we are. Do you actually think someone could make a credible argument that it was necessary? ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/232 "2013-02-12T02:42:24Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > OK. It took a lot of tooth-pulling, but there we are. Do you actually think someone could make a credible argument that it was necessary? Tooth-pulling? Quit while you’re behind. I have no problem keeping this going for another 10 pages or so. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/233 "2013-02-12T02:47:28Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I have no problem keeping this going for another 10 pages or so. I can tell. Now that you’ve agreed this killing spree wasn’t necessarily, do you still think someone else could make a real argument that it was? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/234 "2013-02-12T02:49:52Z")
What I’m getting out of this is **Pedro** thinks Dorner was wrongfully discharged from the LAPD. This, and this alone, justifies him going crazy, but does not justify the murders he’s committed. Basically, LAPD is to blame, but not for the murders. Am I correct on this, P? I’ve read every post in this thread. You seem just as apologetic in this thread as you do in the MPISMs thread. Since the case on Dorner’s termination is reopened, I’m sure we’ll find out plenty of other info that led to his termination well before his whistle blowing. I’m also sure that you will say this additional info isn’t true because it came from LAPD, who caused Dorner going crazy. I’m on the line that Dorner SHOULD NOT have ever been considered to be a police officer. If you’re going to blame the LAPD for anything, blame them for not having a good enough system in their psych profiling upon hiring potential officers. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/235 "2013-02-12T02:52:01Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I can tell. Now that you’ve agreed this killing spree wasn’t necessarily, do you still think someone else could make a real argument that it was? Do you want to take this into another thread? The break in continuity is a shame but I think it’s corteous to the OP. You start it please. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/236 "2013-02-12T02:55:53Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Do you want to take this into another thread? I don’t. Anyway your failure to say no answers my question, moron. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/237 "2013-02-12T02:57:20Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I can tell. Still selectively quoting to get a jab in. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/238 "2013-02-12T03:00:42Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t. Anyway your failure to say no answers my question, moron. Sorry, I really don’t care what you think of me. I didn’t fail to say no, I interjected a polite question to you before I was able to answer. You jumped at that to see a some kind of failure on my part. Stay a loser dude. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/239 "2013-02-12T03:02:48Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > What I’m getting out of this is **Pedro** thinks Dorner was wrongfully discharged from the LAPD. This, and this alone, justifies him going crazy, but does not justify the murders he’s committed. > > Basically, LAPD is to blame, but not for the murders. Am I correct on this, P? No skipping to the end. You have to do the three pages of ‘no u’ first. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787/240 "2013-02-12T03:15:01Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Sorry, I really don’t care what you think of me. > > I didn’t fail to say no, **I interjected a polite question to you before I was able to answer.** You jumped at that to see a some kind of failure on my part. Stay a loser dude. How does that work, exactly? Did your keyboard break? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lapd-as-judge-jury-and-executioner/649787.md?page=13)