# Large woman = "real woman" - huh? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 17, 2003, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731 "2003-08-17T05:43:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/81 "2003-08-20T12:42:20Z")
Transitionality said, “In short, you start with pretty fucking hot and you end up with real fucking hot. The difference is marginal. Guys don’t care if a woman is almost perfect or virtually perfect. We still want to fuck her. And this drives “real women” mad.” Yeah? Check out the Jamie Lee Curtis article where she goes in front of the camera with no make up, no lighting, nothin’ but frumpy underwear. She looked like a sort of dumpy-looking soccer mom. Then, Voila! They dolled her up and she looked like gorgeous Jamie Lee again. The lights and make-up can make almost anyone look way hot. ---
**Author:** ![Jessity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c67d28/32.png) [@Jessity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jessity)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/82 "2003-08-20T13:13:15Z")
[Here you go](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=205877), **Transitionality**. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/83 "2003-08-20T13:18:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by transitionality \* > \*\* For what it’s worth, I don’t know any guys who think Calista Flockhart is sexy, either. Guys in general prefer emphasized secondary sexual characteristics. Large boobs, thin waist, round butt, long legs, full lips, and the like. > > . \*\* Large boobs and round butt generally preclude a thin waist. And a lot of the sexy women of past Playboy issues of old would be considered ‘fat’ by today’s standards. You’ll not see that body type anymore in fashion mags. As far as fashion models go, you probably wouldn’t notice if you passed one on the street. The reason they make good models is that they are essentially skinny blank canvass. Plain. There to be added to. My woman has meat on her bones. And I wouldn’t drop her for anyone on the planet. Her body is sexy, so is her mind and soul. You think I would drop her for vapid window dressing? ---
**Author:** ![FairyChatMom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fairychatmom/32/21906_2.png) [@FairyChatMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyChatMom)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/84 "2003-08-20T13:34:42Z")
One of my coworkers is a photographer and he does lots of digital tricks with his photos. He surfs a number of sites that deal with digital alteration and enhancement. Last week, he showed me one that truly amazed me. (Unfortunately, I didn’t take note of the site address) Anyway, the page showed a picture of a lovely woman’s face. When you hovered the mouse pointer over the picture, it changed to the unretouched photo - still an attractive woman, but her pores and her slightly unever skin tones were clearly visible. In the retouched photo, she was truly a different person. There was another of a woman in a little bathing suit - it was obvious between “before” and “after” that they reshaped her torso and legs - digitally, they removed about 10 pounds! Make no mistake, she was stunning in the before shot, but apparently, she wasn’t perfect. Suddenly, I’m reminded of the movie _Looker_. Anyway, that, to me, is the difference between real and unreal. With a little digital magic, I could have thick, well-coiffed hair, straight teeth, and no creases in my forehead. That would most definitely be unreal! ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/85 "2003-08-20T13:50:47Z")
**FairyChatMom** : [This is probably the page you are talking about](http://homepage.mac.com/gapodaca/digital/bikini/index.html). I began to feel SO much more attractive after looking at these retouched photos. I recommend going to this gentleman’s gallery and looking at some of his other retouching jobs, too; they’re phenomenal. ---
**Author:** ![FairyChatMom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fairychatmom/32/21906_2.png) [@FairyChatMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyChatMom)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/86 "2003-08-20T14:00:26Z")
That’s the one, **Hama**! Real eye-opener, I thought. ---
**Author:** ![transitionality](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5e925/32.png) [@transitionality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/transitionality)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/87 "2003-08-20T14:21:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spooje \* > **Large boobs and round butt generally preclude a thin waist.** And men generally don’t look twice at women who look like that. Men generally aren’t attracted to such women. I see plenty of women who have the body type that I describe. Of course, I see far more women who have the body type that you describe. It’s easier to be fat than to be fit. As for the continuing references to photographic manipulation: Enough. I see these attractive women _in the flesh_ every day. I see them at the mall, at the gym, at cafes and clubs and bars. They are very much real and very much attractive. Their beauty is inherent in the flesh, not in some little computer tricks. For what it’s worth, I don’t think Jamie Lee Curtis is very attractive, either. Give me a Victoria Silvstedt any day of the wek. ---
**Author:** ![Lissla\_Lissar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lissla\_Lissar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissla_Lissar)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/88 "2003-08-20T15:13:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Women are fairly shallow creatures, easily excited by a combination of looks, riches, fame, net desirability coefficient (number of other women who also desire the man, for whatever reason – yes, very sheeplike) and a tight butt. Men are shallow, too, I’m not denying that one bit – but at least we’re NOT dishonest about it. We don’t have pretensions to sophistication when it comes to sex. We don’t make top-ten lists and put “eyes, intelligence, sense of humor” at the very top of ours. We put “legs, boobs, butt” at the very top, the same way a woman might put “net worth, net desirability coefficient, tight butt” at the very top of her honest list. _Falls over laughing_ I just got back from by best friend’s wedding. She’s utterly beautiful, curvy, blonde, and gorgeous. And tall. And thin. General uber-hot chick. She married one of my other closest friends, who’s got a genetic disease that means he’s extremely tall and very thin and fragile-looking, and also means that he’s got near-continuous health problems. He is not particularly good-looking, in a normal sense, and he’s got no money. I was Matron of Honour, and I also had the privilege of watching them meet, fall in love, and decide to get married. I have _never_ met a couple so much in love. They even beat me and my husband at love-radiatian, and we’re pretty good at it. And the idea that she would ever leave her husband for anyone else, just because he was better looking, is laughable. I pity you for not believing that women are capable of faithful, intense love. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Bruce\_Daddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/89 "2003-08-20T17:04:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Evil Captor \* > \*\* > I’ve seen Howard Stern and his crew using laser pointers on actress wannabes who are flat-out skinny, telling them they are fat. It’s very clear in that instance that Stern and da boys are using the pointers as instruments of torture and control, making the women feel bad about themselves when there’s clearly no reason why they should, and making them feel that they have to do more to please their laser-pointer masters. I kinda wonder if the media emphasis on skinniness isn’t a more pervasive and more subtle version of the same thing the Stern boys do. \*\* Those women volunteer/request to be in those bits. And nudity on the radio will always be stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/90 "2003-08-20T18:27:29Z")
Welcome, Reinhold! I think you’re going to get along well here. As for me, I’m one of those size zero, 100 pound girls. I don’t have an eating disorder. I also don’t have boobs or hips and I’m pissed about it! Buying clothes is a nightmare. I usually wind up in the little boys department, trying not to cry. This is all to say, “I thought you big girls were the real women.”😕 ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/91 "2003-08-20T19:11:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spooje \* > \*\*Large boobs and round butt generally preclude a thin waist. And a lot of the sexy women of past Playboy issues of old would be considered ‘fat’ by today’s standards. You’ll not see that body type anymore in fashion mags. > \*\* That’s true. I was a stripper for 7 years and I can’t tell you how many comments I got on how “healthy” or “big” I was. I am 5’4 and weighed about 125. Don’t get me wrong, they liked it. But I always thought it was really strange that people thought I was big. One time these women were in the bar and saw me go up to order a sandwich. I distinctly heard one of them say,“Ooh, big girl is gonna get her something to eat.” WTF? Maybe they were just being catty, but it made me kind of paranoid. ---
**Author:** ![Reinhold\_Messner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Reinhold\_Messner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reinhold_Messner)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/92 "2003-08-20T23:02:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cajela \* > \*\*Hi Heart On My Sleeve. I’m with you on this. > > Looks to me like transitionality is a troll. > > Me no bite no more. \*\* Precisely. Methinks this is becoming a little absurd. ---
**Author:** ![Q.N.Jones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/3da27b/32.png) [@Q.N.Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.N.Jones)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/93 "2003-08-20T23:24:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by transitionality \* > \*\*Give me a Victoria Silvstedt any day of the wek. \*\* Why should we? What’s she done to deserve that kind of punishment? ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/94 "2003-08-20T23:48:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by transitionality \* > Guys don’t care if a woman is almost perfect or virtually perfect. We still want to fuck her. And this drives “real women” mad. \*\* This is a crack up!! Oh honey!!! Why would this "drive ‘real women’ nuts??? Men like you don’t even show up on the radar screen of “real women” (whether we’re a size 4 or a size 14). You, and guys like are so funny to watch in action, (yup, even merely here in type), you may WANT to f\*\*k the hot women, but they certainly don’t want the likes of you. No women, hot or not, care who or what your kind wants to f\*\*k. Your Leykis 101 is showing, but it ain’t gonna help you. Perhaps you should go play in a forum more your speed. [howardstern.com](http://howardstern.com) is looking for a few “good” men I hear. ---
**Author:** ![cajela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cajela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cajela)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/95 "2003-08-21T00:14:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dung Beetle \* > \*\* > As for me, I’m one of those size zero, 100 pound girls. I don’t have an eating disorder. I also don’t have boobs or hips and I’m pissed about it! Buying clothes is a nightmare. I usually wind up in the little boys department, trying not to cry. \*\* Dung beetle, sweetie, you ARE a real woman. Or cabbage. Possibly a brussels sprout. That was something I was trying to get at with my first post here - it’s not about fat/thin, tall/short etc. It’s about not being the fashion industry standard. Being found wanting (by ourselves or others) because we aren’t it; being unable to buy decent clothes because we don’t conform to the ideal proportions. Bah. Sucks. I wonder if men have the same problems in clothes - or is there more shape & size variation in women than men? My partner can’t buy shirts - he is very broad shouldered, but not very tall. So anything that fits his neck & back is way too long in the arms. He was rapt when we went to Vietnam and he got some custom made shorts that actually fit him. ---
**Author:** ![cajela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cajela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cajela)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/96 "2003-08-21T00:18:00Z")
Oops, shirts. Not shorts. Though he did get a nice quit, er suit. And snogging, er, smoking jacket. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/97 "2003-08-21T00:42:34Z")
> [@](#): > > I wonder if men have the same problems in clothes… Don’t get me started. I’m five-foot-not-much, 110lbs. Getting clothes that fit reasonably without going the tailored route is well-nigh impossible. Browsing a place like the Gap makes me feel like Gulliver in Brobdignag – I have a rarely-worn shirt from there that was given to me as a gift. Damned thing is tagged “small,” but it’s _19" across the shoulders_. The tail hangs well past my knees. Sometimes, when the house cools off in the evening, I wear it over a t-shirt like housecoat. “Small.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![aphrodisiac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f08c70/32.png) [@aphrodisiac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aphrodisiac)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/98 "2003-08-21T02:09:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by transitionality \* > \*\*Being fat is a vice associated with lower economic classes, ignorance, laziness. Thin people are rare. Therefore, slim men and women alike are considered attractive. > > Take an econ class and learn about how values are arbitrated in the marketplace before you start ranting and raving about my narrow views. \*\* WTF :rolleyes: _shudders_ I took a second to imagine what this guys life must be like. You’re a real peice of work aren’t you transitionality? Every comment you’ve suffered us to read through during this thread has been shallow and unrealistic. Entertaining, but retarded. And honestly, nobody gives a shit anyways. Just because you may not find certain women attractive does not mean that they are not attractive. Your personality makes you one of the ugliest people I’ve had the displeasure of meeting. And don’t even try to deny it, because we all know its true. :wally Anybody else feel a good thorough pit coming on? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![aphrodisiac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f08c70/32.png) [@aphrodisiac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aphrodisiac)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/99 "2003-08-21T02:15:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by transitionality \* > \*\*Being fat is a vice associated with lower economic classes, ignorance, laziness. Thin people are rare. Therefore, slim men and women alike are considered attractive. > > Take an econ class and learn about how values are arbitrated in the marketplace before you start ranting and raving about my narrow views. \*\* WTF? :rolleyes: _shudders_ I took a second to imagine what this guys life must be like. You’re a real peice of work aren’t you transitionality? Every comment you’ve suffered us to read through during this thread has been shallow and unrealistic. Entertaining, but retarded. And honestly, nobody gives a shit anyways. Just because you may not find certain women attractive does not mean that they are not attractive. Your personality makes you one of the ugliest people I’ve had the displeasure of meeting. And don’t even try to deny it, because we all know its true. :wally Anybody else feel a good thorough pit coming on? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Lissla\_Lissar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lissla\_Lissar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissla_Lissar)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731/100 "2003-08-21T02:25:48Z")
I think I may be a cabbage. Perhaps that’s why I photosynthesize. I always wondered about that [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/large-woman-real-woman-huh/195731.md?page=6)