# Last 30 minutes of Spider Man 2 (spoilers!) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [July 19, 2004, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746 "2004-07-19T00:39:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/41 "2004-07-19T20:29:34Z")
Your OP caught my eye. We saw Spidey II for the second time Saturday night–at the drive-in. For a reason that is unclear to me, people at the drive-in like to leave before the credits. So, people tend to try to anticipate when the credits will run. A whole flock of extremely annoying (because they were interrupting _my_ viewing in their haste) people decided that the movie was over after MJ and Peter had their little discussion after the defeat of DO. So, said extremely annoying people missed out on Harry’s finding the GG gear, and MJ leaving whosit at the altar, and the “Go get 'em, Tiger” and everything. Mwah. I feel vindicated. ---
**Author:** ![Beadalin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Beadalin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beadalin)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2004, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/42 "2004-07-19T21:08:11Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Max Carnage** :_ > As far as Spidey’s loss of power, it was all psychosomatic. He didn’t want to be Spider-Man anymore so his powers started failing. As they failed, he wanted to be Spidey less, and so on. You know, I don’t think that was it. I think Doc Ock’s line to Peter over their cup of tea early in the film is absolutely key to Spider-Man’s on-again/off-again poswers. Remember, he says, “If you hold something as complicated as love inside, you’ll make yourself sick.” Then you’ll notice throughout the film that when Peter has owned up (to himself, if not to MJ) to his feelings for Mary Jane, he has fully intact Spidey senses. When he’s trying to deny them, he does not. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2004, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/43 "2004-07-20T00:45:38Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > I apologize to everyone for the extended hijack/whining. No prob. _Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare._ 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Abe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f1d935/32.png) [@Abe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2004, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/44 "2004-07-20T03:03:13Z")
heh, that’s a good choice of phrase. **Munch** , there was also an episode of the X-Files titled _Tempus Fugit_, where they did not explain what the phrase means, not to mention that it crops up several times in the English language. I didn’t offer a translation because, as **Miller** says, this is a phrase fairly common in English (as well as other languages). It would be like having to explain what \*quod erat demonstrandum \* means: it’s not really necessary because of 1) common usage in English and 2) the ability to find out using the Internet. If I had caught a more obscure/complex Latin phrase, I would probably have provided a translation, but I didn’t think it was appropriate to spell out the joke in this case. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/45 "2004-07-24T21:08:17Z")
OK, I finally got to see the end of the movie (along with the first 90 minutes again). Very, very fun finish, very satisfying ending. Peter gets the girl. The fight on the train was just fantastic. The final sequence in the collapsing building was phenomenal. Did I mention that I liked it? > [@Miller](#): > > He uses his bionic arms to collapse the entire warehouse, and sink both him and his mini-sun into the river. Hmm, it wasn’t clear to me that Ock actually died in this process. It didn’t seem like a situation his magic arms couldn’t get him out of. And he said “I will not die a monster!” which he seemed to be doing, the last we see of him, which tells me he didn’t. Or something. > [@](#): > > And J. Jonah Jameson has the best line in the entire movie when his son is dumped. Worth another eight buck alone to see it. Damn, I couldn’t quite hear the line – Jonah mumbles something, his wife mumbles back “caterer?” , and he says “mumble caviar”. ? ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/46 "2004-07-24T22:31:59Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Damn, I couldn’t quite hear the line – Jonah mumbles something, his wife mumbles back “caterer?” , and he says “mumble caviar”. ? Wife: “The caterer?” Jonah: “Tell her not to open the caviar.” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/47 "2004-07-24T22:37:04Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Hmm, it wasn’t clear to me that Ock actually died in this process. It didn’t seem like a situation his magic arms couldn’t get him out of. And he said “I will not die a monster!” which he seemed to be doing, the last we see of him, which tells me he didn’t. Or something. IIRC, there was an underwater shot of the sun sinking into the bay, followed by Ock, who had a dull, fixed, unblinking stare you usually only find in corpses and certain members of Congress. Either way, a very bad sign. > [@](#): > > Damn, I couldn’t quite hear the line – Jonah mumbles something, his wife mumbles back “caterer?” , and he says “mumble caviar”. ? The whole exchange is: Jonah: Call Debra. Wife: The caterer? Jonah: Tell her not to open the caviar. (Although her name might not have been Debra.) I also love the look his wife gives him. He is _so_ busted, and knowing the character, will probably have no idea why. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/48 "2004-07-25T00:27:57Z")
> [@Abe](#): > > there was also an episode of the X-Files titled _Tempus Fugit_, where they did not explain what the phrase means, not to mention that it crops up several times in the English language. Mostly on the bases of sundials. Another good reason to go back to see the end scenes is that MJ flashes her panties. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/49 "2004-07-25T00:39:12Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Hmm, it wasn’t clear to me that Ock actually died in this process. It didn’t seem like a situation his magic arms couldn’t get him out of. He’s swimming next to a mini-sun, drawn in by its gravitational pull, which has proven itself to be _very_ attractive to metal. I’d say he’s toast. > [@squeegee](#): > > And he said “I will not die a monster!” which he seemed to be doing, the last we see of him, which tells me he didn’t. Or something. The idea is that Octavius _didn’t_ die as a monster – he died as a hero, saving the city with his self-sacrifice. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/50 "2004-07-25T00:41:02Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I also love the look his wife gives him. He is _so_ busted, and knowing the character, will probably have no idea why. As if Jolly Jonah cares. 😛 “Your wife said she lost her credit cards.” “Thanks for the good news!” ---
**Author:** ![7\_up\_yours](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/7/919ad9/32.png) [@7\_up\_yours](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/7_up_yours)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/51 "2004-07-25T01:13:43Z")
I noticed they made a new trailer that completely gives away the last thirty minutes of Spider-Man 2. It shows Peter revealing himself to MJ and admitting that he does love her. :dubious: Was it made to let people have that “I remember this! I have to see it again!” feeling? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/52 "2004-07-25T02:16:21Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > He’s swimming next to a mini-sun, drawn in by its gravitational pull, which has proven itself to be _very_ attractive to metal. I’d say he’s toast. But you’d be mistaken – SolarJr’s attraction is sol-ly magnetic, not gravitic. Example: MJ was being pulled toward the mini-sun until her chains were broken, when Spidey pulled her away because the mini-me sun no longer attracted her because the chains were no more. Magnetism, not gravity. Plus, the mighty octo-arms are specifically mentioned to be impervious to magnetism in the scene where Ock tries to demonstrate fusion to the press, so there’s little reason Ock couldn’t swim to the surface if he could avoid Solus Minimus. > [@](#): > > Jonah: Call Debra. > Wife: The caterer? > Jonah: Tell her not to open the caviar. Thanks for filling me in. That seemed like a fairly obvious remark for him, probably not an $8 (or $16 for me 🙂 ) joke (the original poster called it worth the price of the movie. I guess humor is relative.). ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/53 "2004-07-25T02:19:48Z")
> [@Ukulele Ike](#): > > Another good reason to go back to see the end scenes is that MJ flashes her panties. Bah. Every single glimpse of Dunst is worth the price of the movie. Well, nearly. She is really pretty, though. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jfortun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2acd7d/32.png) [@jfortun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jfortun)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/54 "2004-07-25T21:00:09Z")
> [@Abe](#): > > . > > As far as I could tell the film was full of Raimi’s good humour. At the beginning, when Peter is racing his moped to deliver the 29-minute pizza, he glances desperately at a clock in the street. The brand name of the clock is, appropriately enough, “Tempus Fugit”. Just saw it an teared up 3 times. Damn, I’m a pussy! Anyway, my favorite Raimi moment was in the operating room when Doc Ock goes nuts and one of the surgeons eyes a conveniently present chainsaw as a potential weapon against the tentacles. Ash is back, baby! ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/55 "2021-04-25T16:19:06Z")
# Yes!! Called it! > [@squeegee](#): > > Hmm, it wasn’t clear to me that Ock actually died in this process. It didn’t seem like a situation his magic arms couldn’t get him out of. And he said “I will not die a monster!” which he seemed to be doing, the last we see of him, which tells me he didn’t. Or something. > **[Spider-Man: No Way Home](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_No_Way_Home)** > > Spider-Man: No Way Home is a 2021 American superhero film based on the Marvel Comics character Spider-Man, co-produced by Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios, and distributed by Sony Pictures Releasing. It is the sequel to Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) and Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019), and the 27th film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). The film was directed by Jon Watts and written by Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers. It stars Tom Holland as Peter Parker / Spider-Man alongside Zenda... > [@](#): > > Cast: > […] > > - Alfred Molina as Otto Octavius / Doctor Octopus: > A scientist from an alternative reality with four artificially intelligent mechanical tentacles fused to his body after an accident. Molina reprises his role from Sony’s _[Spider-Man 2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_2)_ (2004), with this appearance continuing from the character’s story and apparent death in that film. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746/56 "2021-04-25T16:26:58Z")
Not that predicting a villain returns unexpectedly in a superhero movie is any great feat, but having Alfred Molina himself return as Ock 17 years later is pretty unexpected! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/last-30-minutes-of-spider-man-2-spoilers/255746.md?page=2)