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I think there’s a bigger gap with people just a few years younger than me due to the internet. When I was in second grade a friend told me about something that sent mail over the telephone line and was called e-mail and I thought he was making it up. Of course just a couple of years later my parents got AOL. Teenagers now have Myspace and text messaging.
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Not exactly. Generational theory says that those currently 23 and younger are the first “Internet Generation” (AKA the Millenials, AKA Generation Y) because that was the first group that was able to work with an “established” Internet through all four years of high school.
[QUOTE=zweisamkeit]
Y’know, that’s a really good point. Obviously we’re still young (and any “quarter life crisis” angstyness we’re going through is adorable looking to those 10-20+ years our senior :)), but I have to say that I have very few friends who are younger than me; the ones who do seem unusually mature (even when able to be goofy, etc.).
It’s kind of like this one guy I work with. Awesome guy, smart, has a good work ethic, etc. He’s living at home while he saves up to move out. That’s cool, so am I*. But when we grab lunch and he starts complaining about how last night his mom cooked chicken again and it’s like, the 4th time this week they’ve had chicken and he told her that he’s getting sick of it and so OMG it’s so annoying… I want to scream, “YOU’RE 24 GODDAMNED YEARS OLD. MAKE YOUR OWN GODDAMNED DINNER AND BUY YOUR OWN GODDAMNED FOOD!”
I’m only 2 years older than him, for crying out loud, but sometimes it feels more like 10.
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I wanted to say I’ve had almost identical experiences with coworkers in the 21-24 age group. I’ve been living out of home since I was 18, but most of my co-workers in the 21-24 age group still live at home with Mummy & Daddy because the big wide world is too expensive for them… so they clear $600 a week from their jobs, kick Mum & Dad $100 a week for food and board, and have $500 a week to spend on Xbox 360s, games, 50" Plasma TVs for their rooms, iPhones, nice cars, iPods, weekends in Sydney/Melbourne/Wherever, and all sorts of other shit they could never afford in the same quantities if they were paying rent and bills like normal people.
Anyway, this leads to a lot of scenarios like the one outlined in the quoted post, where I find myself listening to my 22yo coworker whinging about how Mum cooked Meatloaf again or OMG his sister uses all the hot water in the shower before he gets up in the morning and I just want to tell him to grow the fuck up and move out, instead of buying $300 worth of Anime DVDs and Wii Games every week.
I think it’s a generational shift- I’m noticing it with people that have never been to University and have been working straight out of High School, which still means they’ve been working for 4 or 5 years or so and are still acting like immature teenagers instead of adults, largely because they live at home…
[QUOTE=HoboStew]
I can’t let this go without a fight. Modest Mouse is one of the best bands of all time, a first ballot hall of famer. Lyrically they are miles ahead of any other band around, they rock, and they write well crafted songs. You can do far better than to “stomach” them.
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You’re right, actually I like MM a lot. My favorite song by them is Summer from The Fruit that Ate Itself (1997) but I agree, Good News is an amazing album, definitely one of the best albums of recent years.
[QUOTE=HoboStew]
I can’t let this go without a fight. Modest Mouse is one of the best bands of all time, a first ballot hall of famer. Lyrically they are miles ahead of any other band around, they rock, and they write well crafted songs. You can do far better than to “stomach” them.
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In that case you’re probably not going to appreciate me saying that I’ve never heard of this band until you mentioned them in your post…
I am not a huge MM fan, but this anecdote cracked me up. My brother is a big fan, and has been to many Modest Mouse shows. During one show, there were some sort of technical difficulties in the middle. MM just stayed on stage and started telling jokes. I might have earned by private jet to hell by finding this funny, but so be it. Here is the joke he told.
“So this one time I called my girlfriend and said to her, ‘hey, girl, I just won the lottery. Pack your bags!’ So she says to me, ‘where are we going? Skiing? Caribbean? Asia?’ So I sad back to her, ‘no, you’re not listening. I just won the lottery. Bitch, pack your bags!’”
I was amazed at how nostalgic **American Graffiti ** was. It’s set a little over a decade earlier than it was made but really feels like a period piece, lovingly crafted.
Back when I was 22, we weren’t all misty-eyed for the bands of ten years prior. Instead we were listening to the very music the OP is about. Of course, when I was 22, the music ten years earlier was from 1989, who liked that? There wasn’t anything ('sides some stuff from the 60-70s) worth listening to until 1991.
[QUOTE=lissener]
Wow. All the songs mentioned in the OP actively hurt music.
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I didn’t mention any songs in the OP at all, I just mentioned bands. And if you really think they actually hurt music…well, you can think that, but what’s the point of saying it, beyond threadshitting and being pretentious?
ETA - I don’t want to be too harsh…what kind of music do you like? Are you one of those people who only listens to jazz or classical, or The Beatles?
There were several very quick flash-in-the-pan music movements in the US in the 90s though.
Remember when Prodigy was the beginning of the huge techno acceptance in the US? That group was relevant for about a week. Literally. And so was techno. I know there are still folks who may listen to them but they came and went in the blink of an eye.
And, admittedly a longer flash in the pan, but still no significant staying power, was the big SWING movement of the late 90’s. Reel Big Fish, BSO, Bosstones, Mustard Plug etc… It was looking like that was going to have some staying power. Like the new rap. But nope, it fizzled out in a couple of years.
Metal got alot more industrial as well when Ministry hit it big with Psalm 69 and NIN. All the sudden every band was coming out with an industrial metal album. Then within a few years everyone was back to just instruments for the most part. Not as much sampling and noise etc…
And, admittedly a longer flash in the pan, but still no significant staying power, was the big SWING movement of the late 90’s. Reel Big Fish, BSO, Bosstones, Mustard Plug etc… It was looking like that was going to have some staying power. Like the new rap. But nope, it fizzled out in a couple of years.
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Are these bands not SKA bands rather than swing bands? Admittedly I haven’t heard much of their music but none that I’ve heard would I classify as swing. There was the Cherry Poppin’ Daddies though I suppose.
[QUOTE=An Gadaí]
Are these bands not SKA bands rather than swing bands? Admittedly I haven’t heard much of their music but none that I’ve heard would I classify as swing. There was the Cherry Poppin’ Daddies though I suppose.
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The bands Cubsfan listed were indeed ska bands (which was another 90s “movement”), but the swing movement was real and featured bands like The Cherry Poppin’ Daddies and the Brian Setzer Orchestra, among others.
[QUOTE=An Gadaí]
Are these bands not SKA bands rather than swing bands? Admittedly I haven’t heard much of their music but none that I’ve heard would I classify as swing. There was the Cherry Poppin’ Daddies though I suppose.
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Yeah, that’s SKA. There was a swing movement right around 1998 or so, but it was short lived. Bands like the Cherry Poppin’ Daddies and Big Bad Voodoo Daddy.
[QUOTE=Cubsfan]
There were several very quick flash-in-the-pan music movements in the US in the 90s though.
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If you’ll remember back to the way the alternative movement developed, it began as a very eclectic group of very independent styles that was showcased on MYVs 120 minutes.. It wasn’t until Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, and Pearl Jam came around that alternative became another term for grunge. Industrial was one of the few styles that survived a little bit into the grunge thing with the help from Nine Inch Nails nd Ministry. I would also argue that Ministries breakout album was A Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste. By the Time Psalm 69 came out, I was nearly done with them. Ska was another style that made it into the late nineties.
It’s not like you can’t find acts like Robyn Hitchcock out there, but the general public generally likes it’s music to be comforting, predictable, and uncomplicated. I’m guilty of this too sometimes. I thought The Flamming Lips changing it up for The Soft Bulletin was a nice diversion, but when they went completely electronic for Yoshi Battles The Pink Robots, I just wanted my old Plastic Jesus Flamming Lips back.
[QUOTE=Martini Enfield]
In that case you’re probably not going to appreciate me saying that I’ve never heard of this band until you mentioned them in your post…
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I don’t mind at all. They have had a couple of hits but I wouldn’t exactly call them the biggest band in the world. Just the best. =D
Seriously though, check them out. Their most recent album wasn’t their best effort, but other than that you really cant go wrong. As Argent mentioned, Summer is a great song. It’s actually easier to list albums not to get of theirs - just stay away from Sad Sappy Sucker.
[QUOTE=WarmNPrickly]
If you’ll remember back to the way the alternative movement developed, it began as a very eclectic group of very independent styles that was showcased on MYVs 120 minutes..
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True. Such acts as Jane’s Addiction, Dinosaur Jr., The Flaming Lips, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, R.E.M…they all began in the 80s. Pavement formed in 1989.
[QUOTE=WarmNPrickly]
I would also argue that Ministries breakout album was A Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste. By the Time Psalm 69 came out, I was nearly done with them.
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I’d argue that it was The Land of Rape and Honey. That was when they made the full switch from dance-synth to the chugging guitar driven sound that made them famous.
