# Lateral Thinking Puzzles. Let's do it again! **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [October 23, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193 "2019-10-23T21:32:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 81
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1601 "2020-01-14T03:53:57Z")
Was it to see if one of them had murdered her? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1602 "2020-01-14T03:54:13Z")
Was the act meant primarily to honor the deceased? Or to benefit the vassal? Or to benefit Portugal? Or something else? Was it the hand of a Portuguese woman? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1603 "2020-01-14T05:16:10Z")
Was this an attempt to detect a criminal? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1604 "2020-01-14T13:15:46Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > Was it to see if one of them had murdered her? No, but she was murdered. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1605 "2020-01-14T13:19:15Z")
Biotop: Was the act meant primarily to honor the deceased? **Yes** Or to benefit the vassal? **No** Or to benefit Portugal? **No** Or something else? **No** Was it the hand of a Portuguese woman? **She was not originally Portuguese** ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1606 "2020-01-14T13:20:26Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Was this an attempt to detect a criminal? No ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1607 "2020-01-14T13:27:12Z")
Was her manner of death important? Was her place of death important? Was she a saint? Was she related to a previous leader? Had she done something heroic? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1608 "2020-01-14T15:33:24Z")
Was the corpse a queen? Was she the Queen of Portugal? Was she Peter’s wife? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1609 "2020-01-14T16:01:29Z")
Biotop: Was her manner of death important? **It was to Peter, but the vassals may have thought differently** Was her place of death important? **See above** Was she a saint? **No** Was she related to a previous leader? **No** Had she done something heroic? **No** ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1610 "2020-01-14T16:02:34Z")
Chronos: Was the corpse a queen? **No** Was she the Queen of Portugal? **No** Was she Peter’s wife? **No, but he wanted her to be** ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1611 "2020-01-14T16:59:53Z")
Was she a nun? ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1612 "2020-01-14T17:57:40Z")
Are supernatural beliefs involved? Would it be helpful to know how long she had been dead when the hand-kissing occurred? If yes: Less than a day? Between a day and a week? Between a week and a month? Between a month and a year? Longer than a year? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1613 "2020-01-14T18:20:32Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Was she a nun? No ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1614 "2020-01-14T18:23:29Z")
Fretful Porpentine: Are supernatural beliefs involved? **No** Would it be helpful to know how long she had been dead when the hand-kissing occurred? **No, but it was at least 2 years.** ---
**Author:** ![Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/regallag_the_axe/32/445_2.png) [@Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Regallag_The_Axe)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1615 "2020-01-14T19:53:39Z")
Was the woman Peter’s betrothed? Active lover? A woman he longed for but had no sexual/romantic relationship with? Were the vassals offended at having to kiss the hand? Were they honored? Was all the hand kissing done at once (eg: at some sort of ceremony)? Did any given vassal have to kiss the hand more than once? ---
**Author:** ![Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/regallag_the_axe/32/445_2.png) [@Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Regallag_The_Axe)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1616 "2020-01-14T21:51:17Z")
Was the woman widely known within Portugal? Was she widely known outside of Portugal? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1617 "2020-01-14T22:15:06Z")
> [@Regallag\_The\_Axe](#): > > Was the woman Peter’s betrothed? Active lover? A woman he longed for but had no sexual/romantic relationship with? You’re very warm, so I’ll just go ahead and reveal the answer. In a nutshell, this is a torrid medieval romance story that takes place in the 14th century. Peter I was the son of Alphonso IV, king of Portugal. Alphonso wanted to form an alliance with Castille, so he arranged his son to marry Costanza Manuel. Peter however, fell for her handmaiden Ines de Castro. Costanza died 5 years into their marriage, and Peter wanted to marry Ines. Alphonso however, said no way. She’s illegitimate, and Castille might break the alliance. Peter wouldn’t relent, so Al arranged to have Ines murdered. Peter declared war on Alphonso and they fought until Alphonso died two years later. Peter ascended to the throne, and his first act was to have Ines exhumed and placed next to him on the throne. He then forced his vassals to bow before their dead queen and kiss her hand. [The whole story](https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/11/08/at-his-coronation-king-pedro-i-of-portugal-dug-up-the-body-of-his-dead-wife-placed-it-on-a-throne-and-demanded-that-his-vassals-kiss-her-hand/) ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1618 "2020-01-14T23:02:06Z")
Wait, I want to try one. Not sure how hard it should be. _ **In 1991, D.J. helped find out the actual killer of his older brother, therefore freeing the person who had been unjustly convicted for the crime. How did he do it?** _ ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1619 "2020-01-15T00:34:25Z")
> [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser](#): > > _ **In 1991, D.J. helped find out the actual killer of his older brother, therefore freeing the person who had been unjustly convicted for the crime. How did he do it?** _ Everyone human? Any word play? Was finding the actual killer accidental? Was he trying to investigate the crime? Was DJ the actual killer? Did it involve any kind of forensics? Is DJ’s job relevant? ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193/1620 "2020-01-15T07:02:27Z")
_ **In 1991, D.J. helped find out the actual killer of his older brother, therefore freeing the person who had been unjustly convicted for the crime. How did he do it?** _ > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Everyone human?\*\* YES\*\* > > Any word play?\*\* NO\*\* _(well, some purposefully confusing wording, but no puns per se)_ > > Was finding the actual killer accidental? **NO** > > Was he trying to investigate the crime? **NO** > > Was DJ the actual killer? **NO** > > Did it involve any kind of forensics?\*\* NO\*\* > > Is DJ’s job relevant? NO [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193.md?page=80) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lateral-thinking-puzzles-lets-do-it-again/842193.md?page=82)