# Latest Crop Circles and Glyphs, Evidence of Alien Contact? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 28, 2001, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-crop-circles-and-glyphs-evidence-of-alien-contact/78578 "2001-08-28T19:09:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-crop-circles-and-glyphs-evidence-of-alien-contact/78578/41 "2001-08-30T21:36:01Z")
I’m having a deja sethru attack. Why do we continue to discuss what hoaxers have already confessed to? [Carl Sagan](http://www.2think.org/sagcrop.shtml) wondered the same thing. As for all this ‘mathematical complexity’ that circle are showing: a)Hoaxers have gotten better and more elaborate, and b)If I look hard enough, I can find a correlation anywhere. For example, my watch has a diameter of 39mm. Eerily, the 2nd set of bright rings around Neptune are positioned at 39,000miles from the surface. Do you think aliens living on Neptune are trying to speak to me through mathematics? ---
**Author:** ![tavalla](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tavalla/32/89_2.png) [@tavalla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tavalla)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-crop-circles-and-glyphs-evidence-of-alien-contact/78578/42 "2001-08-31T16:12:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Waverly \* > \*\*Do you think aliens living on Neptune are trying to speak to me through mathematics? \*\* Yes, dammit! The government’s started to pick up the microwave transmissions the Neptunians were trying to send through the implant in your skull (what? You don’t remember being abducted and tested? That just means the military got to you and removed your memory of the event) so now they’ve resorted to mathematics. Now, if you’ll excuse me, my cat wants to give me a message from the Beta Reticulans. ---
**Author:** ![bonzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/45deac/32.png) [@bonzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bonzer)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-crop-circles-and-glyphs-evidence-of-alien-contact/78578/43 "2001-08-31T23:37:14Z")
> [@](#): > > I wish people would read up on this subject before continuing to make mut and already disproven arguements Given the way [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=84636) developed, I take it **Hiyruu** was being ironic here. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-crop-circles-and-glyphs-evidence-of-alien-contact/78578/44 "2001-09-01T02:32:40Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by pldennison \* > \*\* > See, I don’t know if you noticed the URL of the website you’re at right now, but it’s [http://www.straightdope.com](http://www.straightdope.com). It’s the site for the Straight Dope, whose motto is “Fighting Ignorance Since 1973–It’s Taking Longer Than We Thought.” It isn’t, “Say Any Silly Thing You Want Without Providing Evidence.”_\* Cite, please? \*\* > [@](#): > > Going further, the name of the forum in which you are posting is “Great Debates.” Feel free to go into the other fora, perhaps MPSIMS or IMHO, and make all the unfounded, citeless assertions you’d like. In **this** forum, when someone makes a claim – especially when they make a particularly unusual one – we ask them to back it up with a cite. > \*\* Cite, please? \*\* > [@](#): > > See, if I were to make a claim that, say, you have to be 35 years old to be President of the U.S., I probably wouldn’t be asked for a cite. It isn’t a particularly outrageous claim, and it’s fairly common knowledge. If I was asked for a cite, I’d point them to [http://www.usconstitution.com](http://www.usconstitution.com) and ask them to read Article II, Sec. 1, par. 5. > > \*\* Would you really? Do you have a cite for that? G,D & R 😛 ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-crop-circles-and-glyphs-evidence-of-alien-contact/78578/45 "2001-09-01T06:39:00Z")
Hiyruu wrote: > [@](#): > > The molecular structure of the wheat shows that the microscopic fibres were broken down which gives the melting effect. > > Use the analogy of a dry stick of spaghetti; You can either snap it or you can melt it and it will droop. Wheat stalks will **also** bend, without breaking, if they are damp. Such as would be the case if the wheat were, say, outdoors. In the early morning hours. When the dew collects. Which is the time of day when the hoaxers tended to make their crop circles. And as far as the alleged “microscopic analysis” of the “molecular structure” of the wheat fibers goes, have a look at what the sci.skeptic FAQ has to say on that subject: [http://home.xnet.com/~blatura/skep\_3.html#3.7.4](http://home.xnet.com/~blatura/skep_3.html#3.7.4) ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2001, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-crop-circles-and-glyphs-evidence-of-alien-contact/78578/46 "2001-09-03T07:37:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TheThill \* > **Funny that these things never happen to you or people you know well. Or that all sightings of “alien” UFO’s happen in (mostly English-speaking) industrialized countries.** That’s because the others are too busy still seeing goblins and pixies. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-crop-circles-and-glyphs-evidence-of-alien-contact/78578/47 "2001-09-04T02:46:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ObiWan \* > think the aliens must be scared of catching foot and mouth disease. 🙂 > > > [@](#): > > > > _From [BBC News - Disease brings poor crop of circles](http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1496000/1496296.stm):_ > > Tim Carson had only one new circle appear on his land this year - until rural access restrictions were lifted a month ago. > > > > He said: "I had a phone call to ask if the footpaths were open round our way. > > > > “I said ‘Yes’, and that night a crop circle appeared…and we have had six since then.” IT’S OBVIOUS to all but the most CLOSE-MINDED SKEPTICS that this means THE ALIENS MUST BE COWS! [SUP][sub](Well, okay, or sheep or pigs).[/sub][/sup] Why else would they be afraid of foot-and-mouth? Wait a minute… Forget the alien cows - it’s really OUR OWN COWS who are doing this! They’ve been hiding their superior intelligence for centuries! They’ve DELIBERATELY infected KAMIKAZE COWS with mad cow disease to pass to humans as a part of their BIOLOGICAL WARFARE! Crop circles are part of their MASTER PLAN to sow FEAR and CONFUSION prior to THEIR TAKEOVER! Gary Larson tried to tell us what was going on, but he was silenced by THEM! We’ve got to do SOMETHING or we’re DOOMED! DOOMED, DO YOU HEAR ME? DOOMED! ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-crop-circles-and-glyphs-evidence-of-alien-contact/78578/48 "2001-09-04T04:56:16Z")
Couldn’t we be DOOM 2ed, instead? We’d get to add a double-barrelled shotgun to our arsenals! ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Stewart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@Dave\_Stewart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Stewart)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-crop-circles-and-glyphs-evidence-of-alien-contact/78578/49 "2001-09-04T05:11:18Z")
I actually am a cow and I’m monitoring you all. ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-crop-circles-and-glyphs-evidence-of-alien-contact/78578/50 "2001-09-04T05:20:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dave Stewart \* > \*\*I actually am a cow and I’m monitoring you all. \*\* So it’s true? ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Stewart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@Dave\_Stewart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Stewart)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-crop-circles-and-glyphs-evidence-of-alien-contact/78578/51 "2001-09-04T08:21:44Z")
Yes, I’m afraid so: and for discovering the truth you’ll be first against the wall when the Cosmic Bovine Revolution comes. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2001, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-crop-circles-and-glyphs-evidence-of-alien-contact/78578/52 "2001-09-04T09:03:28Z")
Sorry folks for butting into this thread with something off topic, but **Hiyruu** , would you be kind enough to answer my question in your thread: [Why evolution is not possible.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=84636&pagenumber=5)? Thanks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-crop-circles-and-glyphs-evidence-of-alien-contact/78578.md?page=2)