# Latest Obama Scandal: Can he Survive This? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 12, 2008, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048 "2008-04-12T16:33:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/21 "2008-04-12T17:45:25Z")
Well, at least he didn’t order milk at a bar. ---
**Author:** ![kevja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@kevja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevja)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/22 "2008-04-12T17:50:04Z")
Chris Matthews does this all the time. He wants to be old school circa 1960. In 2004, he did it to Kerry because Kerry ordered a Philly cheese steak sandwich the “wrong” way. \*\*Obama is going to have a much more difficult time with his “bitter” comments and the tone of his voice on that tape. \*\* And really, all he did was state an honest opinion, but from a PR standpiont, it was a big mistake. The case of an arrogant, cooly detacted candidate is starting to be made. Good thing there is still seven months to the general election. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/23 "2008-04-12T17:51:07Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] It is getting worse. He is being painted into an effete corner. What kind of man does not drink coffee and bowl well. ? Not a manly man. Can you trust a man like that. Could you even call him a man.?His bowling was terrible. [/QUOTE] I’ll bet he’s never jumped out a window shooting a gun in each hand either. Pansy. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/24 "2008-04-12T17:58:34Z")
Not only can and will he “survive” this, he has answered the retarded accusations by finally getting indignant. Watch his response [here](http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBWx9). > [@Barack Obama](#): > > . . . > > “Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain—it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he’s saying I’m out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I’m out of touch? No, I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania. I know what’s going on in Indiana. I know what’s going on in Illinois. People are fed-up. They’re angry and they’re frustrated and they’re bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that’s why I’m running for President of the United States of America.” And [here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8dRMofHNs) are the pundits on CNN with Wolf Blitzer, saying how freaking ridiculous and embarrassing to the Clinton campaign this nonsense is. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/25 "2008-04-12T18:02:49Z")
Come to think of it, didn’t OJ kill all those people. And he was black, too. Coincidence? I think not! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/26 "2008-04-12T18:03:08Z")
What does the Clinton campaign have to do with it? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/27 "2008-04-12T18:11:06Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] What does the Clinton campaign have to do with it? [/QUOTE] Because Clinton and McCain have both been out front pushing this “elitist” meme because of the original speech Obama made. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/28 "2008-04-12T18:12:22Z")
What does \*that \* have to do with orange juice? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/29 "2008-04-12T18:14:41Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] What does the Clinton campaign have to do with it? [/QUOTE] Sorry **Elvis** , you’re right. I read over the OP too quickly and thought this was about Clinton’s (and McCain’s) charges that Obama is an “elitist” based on remarks he made in San Francisco last week, not over him asking for orange juice. Her [claim that he’s “elitist” and “out of touch”](http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/clinton_obama_elitist.html) at all is still ridiculous, but not the specific subject of this thread. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/30 "2008-04-12T18:19:06Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] Sorry **Elvis** , you’re right. I read over the OP too quickly and thought this was about Clinton’s (and McCain’s) charges that Obama is an “elitist” based on remarks he made in San Francisco last week, not over him asking for orange juice. Her [claim that he’s “elitist” and “out of touch”](http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/clinton_obama_elitist.html) at all is still ridiculous, but not the specific subject of this thread. Carry on. [/QUOTE] Let me tack my apology on as well. I somehow morphed this orange juice-specific thread into the whole “elitist” attack based on his speech of several days ago. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/31 "2008-04-12T18:23:12Z")
Hard habit to break, huh? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/32 "2008-04-12T18:25:36Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] I don’t know, guys. Remember what happened to Kerry when he ordered his Philly cheesesteak with swiss? [/QUOTE] No ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/33 "2008-04-12T18:27:54Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] Remember what happened to Kerry when he ordered his Philly cheesesteak with swiss? [/QUOTE] Just like the \*French \* eat them. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/34 "2008-04-12T18:32:52Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] Well, at least he didn’t order milk at a bar. [/QUOTE] [http://www.korovamilkbar.com/site/](http://www.korovamilkbar.com/site/) Hey, the man always talks about how much he loves a good steak. That’s manly and American enough for me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/35 "2008-04-12T18:42:18Z")
He must go clean out brush. He could volunteer at Bush’s ranch. He has been doing it by himself for 7 years. He will have to buy proper boots and a flannel shirt but then the stigma of orange juice and sub par bowling will be counteracted. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/36 "2008-04-12T19:26:23Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] Is he serious- you always take coffee if offered, even if you don’t drink it or want it? On what planet? He’s trying to equate this with some insult to your host in a foreign country or something? All good Christian Americans drink coffee I guess. 😕 [/QUOTE] Oranges, at least, are grown in the U.S. Coffee has to be imported from — Venezuela! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/37 "2008-04-12T19:37:10Z")
If he drank coffee, maybe he wouldn’t be asleep when the phone rings at 3 a.m. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/38 "2008-04-12T19:38:39Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] He must go clean out brush. He could volunteer at Bush’s ranch. He has been doing it by himself for 7 years. He will have to buy proper boots and a flannel shirt but then the stigma of orange juice and sub par bowling will be counteracted. [/QUOTE] Yeah, it doesn’t even matter if your Carhardt Jacket and Timberland boots are absolutely pristine as though they’ve not spent much time in the brush. Apparently people who live like that don’t even pay attention to that sort of detail. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/39 "2008-04-12T20:24:50Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Hard habit to break, huh? [/QUOTE] Well, they all tend to run together eventually… ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048/40 "2008-04-12T20:28:38Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] Sorry **Elvis** , you’re right. I read over the OP too quickly and thought this was about Clinton’s (and McCain’s) charges that Obama is an “elitist” based on remarks he made in San Francisco last week, not over him asking for orange juice. Her [claim that he’s “elitist” and “out of touch”](http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/clinton_obama_elitist.html) at all is still ridiculous, but not the specific subject of this thread. Carry on. [/QUOTE] Before I opened the thread, I asked myself, “OJ or bitter?” I figured it was a tossup. Turning either one into a ‘gaffe’ is equally dumb. [QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Can _Matthews_ survive this? [/QUOTE] From your lips to the NBC head honchos’ ears. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latest-obama-scandal-can-he-survive-this/445048.md?page=3)