# Latin scholars: dulce et decorum est pro patria mori? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [November 16, 2005, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latin-scholars-dulce-et-decorum-est-pro-patria-mori/331262 "2005-11-16T04:15:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![La\_Llorona](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@La\_Llorona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/La_Llorona)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2005, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latin-scholars-dulce-et-decorum-est-pro-patria-mori/331262/1 "2005-11-16T04:15:12Z")
I know a wee smidgen of Latin, so I know the basic meaning of this phrase, and that it’s often seen on soldiers’ gravestones. Question is, what is the best/most commonly accepted standard English translation of it? “It is sweet and fitting to die for one’s country”? “It is sweet and proper to die for one’s country”? “It is sweet and appropriate to die for one’s country”? “How sweet and [whatever] it is to die for one’s country!”? Any help would be much appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2005, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latin-scholars-dulce-et-decorum-est-pro-patria-mori/331262/2 "2005-11-16T04:26:28Z")
I believe the second of your choices is the accepted translation. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2005, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latin-scholars-dulce-et-decorum-est-pro-patria-mori/331262/3 "2005-11-16T05:09:57Z")
Duo. As a title to the [poem](http://www.english.emory.edu/LostPoets/Dulce.html), though, number 4 might have been more appropriate (as irony). ---
**Author:** ![Sattua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sattua/32/11906_2.png) [@Sattua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sattua)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2005, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latin-scholars-dulce-et-decorum-est-pro-patria-mori/331262/4 "2005-11-16T14:29:20Z")
What I always heard is “it is sweet and mete to die for one’s country.” ---
**Author:** ![Tevildo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Tevildo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tevildo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2005, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latin-scholars-dulce-et-decorum-est-pro-patria-mori/331262/5 "2005-11-16T15:34:12Z")
The translation I most often see is “It is a sweet and noble thing to die for your country.” ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2005, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latin-scholars-dulce-et-decorum-est-pro-patria-mori/331262/6 "2005-11-16T19:24:36Z")
Would “it is a sweet and decorous thing to die for your country” be the most “literal” translation? I’m no Latin scholar, but this is how I first read it as a guesstimate. ---
**Author:** ![CJJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@CJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CJJ)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2005, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/latin-scholars-dulce-et-decorum-est-pro-patria-mori/331262/7 "2005-11-16T21:00:19Z")
> [@La Llorona](#): > > “It is sweet and fitting to die for one’s country”? “It is sweet and proper to die for one’s country”? “It is sweet and appropriate to die for one’s country”? “How sweet and [whatever] it is to die for one’s country!”? “Becoming”, “fitting”, “proper”, “seemly”, “suitable”, and “appropriate” all capture the meaning of decorus, -a, -um, so all are good translations. The cognate “decorous” is also correct, though I’d refrain from using it since one may read the idea of “decorative”, which is not at all what Horace was getting at in this verse. If the question is which is the most commonly-heard translation, I’d recommend googoling each.