# Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC just reported Trump threatened the Pres. Of Mexico with U.S. troops **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 2, 2017, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803 "2017-02-02T03:11:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/1 "2017-02-02T03:11:57Z")
He’s reporting that Trump, on the phone with President Peña Nieto, threatened to march troops into Mexico. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/2 "2017-02-02T03:19:05Z")
Yes, it seems he said that, but the Mexican government is denying it. [https://www.google.com/amp/s/apnews.com/amp/0b3f5db59b2e4aa78cdbbf008f27fb49?client=lightning](https://www.google.com/amp/s/apnews.com/amp/0b3f5db59b2e4aa78cdbbf008f27fb49?client=lightning) According to the official transcript, Trump said: > [@](#): > > “You have a bunch of bad hombres down there,” Trump told Pena Nieto, according to the excerpt given to AP. “You aren’t doing enough to stop them. I think your military is scared. Our military isn’t, so I just might send them down to take care of it.” However, according to the Mexican Foreign Relations Department: > [@](#): > > “The negative statements you refer to did not occur during said telephone call. On the contrary, the tone was constructive.” ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/3 "2017-02-02T03:20:25Z")
Here’s an AP article. AP claims they have a transcript of he conversation. They also say that Mexico denies the threat. [http://staging.hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_TRUMP\_MEXICO?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-02-01-18-21-24](http://staging.hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_MEXICO?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-02-01-18-21-24) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/4 "2017-02-02T03:41:35Z")
Ninjad by **cochrane** ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/5 "2017-02-02T03:48:27Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Yes, it seems he said that, but the Mexican government is denying it. > > [Trump to Mexico: Take care of 'bad hombres' or US might | AP News](https://www.google.com/amp/s/apnews.com/amp/0b3f5db59b2e4aa78cdbbf008f27fb49?client=lightning) > > According to the official transcript, Trump said: > > However, according to the Mexican Foreign Relations Department: If it’s fake, someone did a good job imitating Trump’s speaking style. ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/6 "2017-02-02T04:19:38Z")
I saw that too and I’m assuming it’s fake. It’s just…too outrageous not to be. Even for him. God, things are bad when you’re actually hoping something you see is fake news and not real. Edit: Well this one looks a bit more legit sadly. He had an argument with the [Australian PM](http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/politics/malcolm-turnbull-donald-trump-pena-nieto/index.html). > [@](#): > > Sources say Trump insisted it was a very bad deal for the US to take 2,000 refugees and that one of them was going to be the next Boston bomber. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/7 "2017-02-02T04:32:46Z")
> [@AngelSoft](#): > > I saw that too and I’m assuming it’s fake. It’s just…too outrageous not to be. Even for him. God, things are bad when you’re actually hoping something you see is fake news and not real. > > Edit: Well this one looks a bit more legit sadly. He had an argument with the [Australian PM](http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/politics/malcolm-turnbull-donald-trump-pena-nieto/index.html). - Trump abruptly ended the call because he was unhappy\* ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/8 "2017-02-02T04:53:20Z")
They’ll welcome us with open arms, as liberators. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/9 "2017-02-02T04:53:23Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > - > > Trump abruptly ended the call because he was unhappy\* [https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-australia-malcoln-turnbull-phone-call-20170201-story,amp.html](https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-australia-malcoln-turnbull-phone-call-20170201-story,amp.html) > [@](#): > > Instead, President Donald Trump blasted Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull over a refugee agreement and boasted about the magnitude of his electoral college win, according to senior U.S. officials briefed on the Saturday exchange. Then, 25 minutes into what was expected to be an hour-long call, Trump abruptly ended it. > > At one point, Trump informed Turnbull that he had spoken with four other world leaders that day - including Russian President Vladimir Putin - and that “this was the worst call by far.” This assclown is badly in need of impeachment. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/10 "2017-02-02T05:01:26Z")
As to the Australian story, Trump tweeted this at 2:55pm on 2 Feb: > [@](#): > > Do you believe it? The Obama Administration agreed to take thousands of illegal immigrants from Australia. Why? I will study this dumb deal! [Link to tweet.](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827002559122567168) So, yeah, I believe both. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/11 "2017-02-02T05:26:48Z")
I don’t see the problem here. He’s only sending them in to take care of the Bad Hombres. Who could possibly object to that. Don’t you understand? These are _Bad Hombres_. They have, like, black hats, bandoleers, bad teeth, those evil moustaches and smoke cigars. They are Bad. Hombres. What are you, some kind of Bad Hombre lover? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/12 "2017-02-02T05:33:42Z")
Band name! _Bad Hombres_ ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/13 "2017-02-02T05:37:24Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I don’t see the problem here. He’s only sending them in to take care of the Bad Hombres. Who could possibly object to that. Don’t you understand? These are _Bad Hombres_. They have, like, black hats, bandoleers, bad teeth, those evil moustaches and smoke cigars. They are Bad. Hombres. [I think I know some guys who could take care of this for us…](http://i.imgur.com/O1VFXzG.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/14 "2017-02-02T05:41:05Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > They’ll welcome us with open arms, as liberators. And we’ll use their oil revenues to pay for the invasion. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/15 "2017-02-02T14:07:45Z")
“May you live in interesting times.” ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/16 "2017-02-02T14:36:42Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > If it’s fake, someone did a good job imitating Trump’s speaking style. As I wrote in the other thread about this, no, they didn’t. That DOESN’T sound like Trump. Trump’s speech is very distinctive as opposed to other politicians, and is marked by a number of very predictable habits; 1. Repetition. Trump repeats himself and repeats words. 2. Lack of filler words; Trump almost never uses filler sounds like “um.” (The repetition is a habit people use to avoid this.) 3. Frequent use of superlatives and adjectives. 4. Sudden abandonment of a sentence to start another. 5. Reference to himself. The word he uses most often in conversation is “I,” which is not that unusual but he’s more extreme about it than most people. He uses the word “Trump” an astonishing amount too; people actually rarely use their own name in speech, but not him. While the alleged quote is a short snippet, it has none of the typical characteristics of Trump speech except for not having filler sounds. Here’s an actual Trump quote: [QUOTE=Donald Trump, June 2016] Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune. [/QUOTE] Nobody else I can think of who is a major political figure speaks like this. You see repetition at least three times, yet not a single filler sound, which is kind of amazing for unrehearsed speech. Many superlatives (“great,” “very good genes,” “smartest”) and adjectives, and abandonment not only of his initial point, but the point after that, to talk about himself. ---
**Author:** ![eclectic\_wench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ac91a4/32.png) [@eclectic\_wench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eclectic_wench)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/17 "2017-02-02T15:42:59Z")
> [@AngelSoft](#): > > I’m assuming it’s fake. It’s just…too outrageous not to be. ‘Too outrageous to be real’ is no longer a phrase that has any relevance. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/18 "2017-02-02T16:29:35Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I don’t see the problem here. He’s only sending them in to take care of the Bad Hombres. Who could possibly object to that. Don’t you understand? These are _Bad Hombres_. They have, like, black hats, bandoleers, bad teeth, those evil moustaches and smoke cigars. They are Bad. Hombres. > > What are you, some kind of Bad Hombre lover? And they got no stinkin’ badges. ---
**Author:** ![WildBlueYonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ce7236/32.png) [@WildBlueYonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildBlueYonder)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/19 "2017-02-02T16:36:29Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > And they got no stinkin’ badges. so true! 😉 :dubious::dubious: He didnt say he (Trump) would send them (our soldiers) over the edge?? :D:D I guess so many people dont know what’s good for them…guess its always been that way…:p:p ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803/20 "2017-02-02T17:45:41Z")
So CNN at least is reporting that what was said was different. At least from the transcripts they have. > [@](#): > > You have some pretty tough hombres in Mexico that you may need help with. We are willing to help with that big-league, but they have be knocked out and you have not done a good job knocking them out. Fwiw, Mexico is denying the threat referred to above while Australia is just saying no comment. So I guessing this quote is probably more accurate. Though I’m wondering why two different news companies got two different quotes? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-odonnell-on-msnbc-just-reported-trump-threatened-the-pres-of-mexico-with-u-s-troops/778803.md?page=2)