# Lawrence Russell Brewer Dead
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 22, 2011, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158 "2011-09-22T04:33:24Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/21 "2011-09-22T12:27:22Z")
Re Troy Davis- SCOTUS and President Obama could have done something to delay this. They did not. I wished they had and I would love to know the reason they passed on it. Since I believe that Justice should be a publically open & clear process, Justice was not served, whether or not he actually committed the murders.
Re Lawrence Russell Brewer- Hallelujah! Justice has been served & none of us who think so are going to be one bit bothered by the scorn exhibited here.
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### Author:  [@SecondJudith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecondJudith)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/22 "2011-09-22T12:34:07Z")
“Hallelujah” is obscene. I feel viscerally ill at the glee exhibited here over another person’s death. Death is never a cause for joy.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/23 "2011-09-22T12:47:34Z")
> [@George\_Kaplin](#):
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> If you have any articles written by someone with a good track record for telling the truth I would be happy to consider them.
That’s a reasonable request. [Cite.](http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/judge_says_new_evidence_in_troy_davis_case_is_largely_smoke_and_mirrors/)
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/24 "2011-09-22T12:51:10Z")
> [@FriarTed](#):
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> Re Troy Davis- SCOTUS and President Obama could have done something to delay this. They did not. I wished they had and I would love to know the reason they passed on it.
SCOTUS, yes. Obama? Don’t think so - purely a state matter, so he has no pardon/clemency ability. As I understand from reading, even the Governor of GA couldn’t have stayed the execution - that power is invested in a board of some sort.
Re: SCOTUS - my understanding is that each justice is responsible for various areas of the country for quick appeals/injunctions. Assuming I’m not wrong, who covers Georgia?
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### Author:  [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/25 "2011-09-22T12:52:37Z")
> [@SecondJudith](#):
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> “Hallelujah” is obscene. I feel viscerally ill at the glee exhibited here over another person’s death. Death is never a cause for joy.
You wanna feel viscerally ill? Read what he was executed for. By his own free will, he chose a path that removes him from consideration as a fellow human being & instead lower than a mad dog that needs to be put down. So again, I say “Hallelujah, Just and True are Your Judgments, O Yahweh, for Lawrence Russell Brewer has shed innocent blood and so his blood has been shed, as You have rightly decreed.”
And if that be vile, disgusting, barbaric and obscene, make the most of it.
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### Author:  [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/26 "2011-09-22T12:53:11Z")
> [@FriarTed](#):
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> Re Troy Davis- SCOTUS and President Obama could have done something to delay this. They did not. I wished they had and I would love to know the reason they passed on it. Since I believe that Justice should be a publically open & clear process, Justice was not served, whether or not he actually committed the murders.
Why should SCOTUS and President Obama have interceded? There would have been no reason based on legality to interfere with the decisions of the jury and the twelve appeals courts who had already reviewed the conviction and found it to be correct. How much more open and clear could it be, and how many more appeals would have been enough?
> [@FriarTed](#):
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> Re Lawrence Russell Brewer- Hallelujah! Justice has been served & none of us who think so are going to be one bit bothered by the scorn exhibited here.
Indeed!
I couldn’t care less about the desires of people who would prefer that murderers live out their lives reading books, watching TV, telling jokes and visiting with family members, when they’ve deprived someone else of their lives and ability to do the same. And I’m far more desirous that the people who’ve been murdered and their families and loved ones get justice, than I am in indulging some would-be claimant to the moral high ground’s idea of what is “civilized”.
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### Author:  [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/27 "2011-09-22T13:19:22Z")
> [@Strinka](#):
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> Killing someone is not justice.
Yes it is by definition. When I think of what James Byrd Jr went through, all these years later, it still turns my stomach. I’m glad Brewer got what he deserved.
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### Author:  [@SecondJudith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecondJudith)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/28 "2011-09-22T13:39:27Z")
> [@FriarTed](#):
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> By his own free will, he chose a path that removes him from consideration as a fellow human being
There is no such thing. There just isn’t. A human is a human. There is no act or thought that can take away a person’s humanity. When you devalue human life you devalue all of us, and yourself. Cripes, this is basic primary-level humanity. One feels mournful at the transgressions, and mournful at the deaths.
“I take no pleasure in the death of they who die; but turn, and live.”
Fuck your gleeful Christian bloodthirstiness.
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### Author:  [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/29 "2011-09-22T14:07:49Z")
> [@BigT](#):
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> As long as you do that, you cannot claim some sort of moral high horse.
_Nobody_ can claim the moral high horse while you’ve got your pimply ass glued to the saddle, gently stroking its flaxen mane with your “My Pretty Pony” hairbrush, you milquetoast prig of an apologist for all manner of bad behavior, you.
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### Author:  [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/30 "2011-09-22T14:09:48Z")
> [@SecondJudith](#):
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> There is no such thing. There just isn’t. A human is a human. There is no act or thought that can take away a person’s humanity. When you devalue human life you devalue all of us, and yourself. Cripes, this is basic primary-level humanity. One feels mournful at the transgressions, and mournful at the deaths.
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> “I take no pleasure in the death of they who die; but turn, and live.”
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> Fuck your gleeful Christian bloodthirstiness.
Which is firmly rooted in the Torah, the Prophets and the Writings.
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### Author:  [@SecondJudith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecondJudith)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/31 "2011-09-22T14:12:49Z")
It really isn’t, see above. This isn’t the thread for a discussion of Christian vs Jewish theology, but it’s very telling that you’re not owning this.
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### Author:  [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/32 "2011-09-22T14:13:11Z")
What I found more disturbing were recent comments by him that not only was he unrepentant about the murder, but that given a chance he would do it all over again. Apparently during a prior incarceration he became so embittered towards the black and hispanic population that it later prevented any possibility of feelings of remorse or contrition, no matter how egrigious or horrific his crime was against another human.
While death row is an unpalatable option for many observers, you really can’t conveniently begin there as the point and place for which the unacceptable begins. A system that allows and perpetuates such hatred must itself be subject to scrutiny and resolve to fix what obviously just doesn’t work.
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### Author:  [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/33 "2011-09-22T14:13:31Z")
> [@FriarTed](#):
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> , I say “Hallelujah, Just and True are Your Judgments, O Yahweh, for Lawrence Russell Brewer has shed innocent blood and so his blood has been shed, as You have rightly decreed.”
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> And if that be vile, disgusting, barbaric and obscene, make the most of it.
Yahweh was the Judge at his trial? You would think that would have gotten more press coverage.
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### Author:  [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/34 "2011-09-22T14:13:35Z")
> [@Folacin](#):
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> SCOTUS, yes. Obama? Don’t think so - purely a state matter, so he has no pardon/clemency ability. As I understand from reading, even the Governor of GA couldn’t have stayed the execution - that power is invested in a board of some sort.
Honestly, what can Obama do. The guy wasn’t convicted of a federal crime.
And even, if he was, you have to remember this is the Obama administration we’re talking about, an administration which has been notoriously careful about picking its battles. And I can’t imagine this is a battle that they would have had much of a stomach for.
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### Author:  [@SecondJudith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecondJudith)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/35 "2011-09-22T14:19:43Z")
> [@lieu](#):
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> A system that allows and perpetuates such hatred must itself be subject to scrutiny and resolve to fix what obviously just doesn’t work.
This is an excellent point.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/36 "2011-09-22T14:28:11Z")
> [@SecondJudith](#):
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> What a disgusting piece of shit you are, and your barbaric country.
Eh - I spent six months as a neocon in college, and I was much older than the OP. I was just young. I got better - so, too, may the OP.
As for my country - many, many Americans oppose the death penalty. In fact, most states have either officially repealed the death penalty or simply stopped using it decades ago. I don’t deny that the death penalty is evil, but I think it unfair to paint the entire Union with that brush.
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### Author:  [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/37 "2011-09-22T14:29:29Z")
> [@BigT](#):
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> Says the adult just told a 14 year old boy that he’s a disgusting piece of shit.
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> As long as you do that, you cannot claim some sort of moral high horse.
Well, Little Curtis doesn’t volunteer his age on every message. (Just how long _has_ he been 14?)
As a Texan, I’m quite aware of the heinous act The Departed committed. But now the White Power guys have a new martyr! None of our state’s Murderous Millionaires (and we’ve had a few) have ever been strapped down for an injection. Although the older ones would have made the acquaintance of Ol’ Sparky…
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/38 "2011-09-22T14:32:48Z")
> [@FriarTed](#):
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> Which is firmly rooted in the Torah, the Prophets and the Writings.
Wow. Christian bloodthirstyness is justified thusly?
And some say that Christianity is a religion of peace and love. Who knew?
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### Author:  [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/39 "2011-09-22T14:34:05Z")
Yet another reason to be proud to be from Michigan, the first state in the union to ban capital punishment. So two of our more backward states executed people last night. I’m sure the right wingers got a woody just thinking about it.
> [@](#):
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> Says the adult just told a 14 year old boy that he’s a disgusting piece of shit.
Jesus, he’s been 14 for about 3 years now. Doesn’t he ever have birthdays?
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### Author:  [@SecondJudith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecondJudith)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawrence-russell-brewer-dead/597158/40 "2011-09-22T14:40:07Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> Wow. Christian bloodthirstyness is justified thusly?
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> And some say that Christianity is a religion of peace and love. Who knew?
Yeah, we European Jews have kind of known that for oh, a good 1300+ years now!
It’s always nice to get that little pinch of “well, it’s actually the JEWISH bits of the bible where all the malicious hateful parts are, I think you’ll find” antisemitic goysplanation, too.
ETA: For the record I was unaware of the OP’s age (and still am, actually)…
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