# Lawyer sues to block Obama from presidency as a non-native citizen (2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 29, 2008, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641 "2008-08-29T02:46:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/1 "2008-08-29T02:46:48Z")
Not making this up. See [here.](http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/philip-j-berg-press-release-no-08-cv-4083-philadelphia-federal-court-obama-not-citizen-hawaii-kenya-indonesia-obama-does-not-meet-qualifications-for-president/) Text of complaint [here.](http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/complaint-against-barack-obama-us-district-court-eastern-district-of-pennsylvania-obama-is-not-a-natural-born-citizen/) (Previous thread closed.) ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/2 "2008-08-29T03:01:10Z")
I would guess this gets tossed out of court so fast it bounces. Blithering idiots abound. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/3 "2008-08-29T03:05:34Z")
I’m still trying to figure out why it makes more sense to make you start a new thread than just removing the offending link/comment. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/4 "2008-08-29T03:06:14Z")
> **[แทงบอลออนไลน์ ยูฟ่าเบท ค่าน้ำดีที่สุด UFABET เว็บตรง อันดับ 1ในไทย](https://crimefilenews.com/)** > > แทงบอลออนไลน์ UFABET ยูฟ่าเบท เว็บตรง ราคาดีที่สุด อันดับ 1 เปิดเดิมพันทุกคู่ สมัครฟรีบนมือถือ ฝากถอน AUTO ไม่มีขั้นต่ำ ดูแลตลอด 24 ชั่วโมง > [@](#): > > March 3, 2004 — If you have any way of contacting the 911 widow who has filed a RICO suit against George W. Bush, warn her right away. The complaint filed on behalf of Ellen Mariani by Philip J. Berg, Esquire, is booby-trapped. > > In short, Mrs. Mariani’s case against the government has been hijacked by a suicide lawyer. [Veterans for 9/11 Truth News Features: Philip J. Berg: Arrest Bush and Cheney](http://freedomisforeverybody.blogspot.com/2007/01/philip-j-berg-arrest-bush-and-cheny.html) > [@](#): > > Saturday, January 13, 2007 > Philip J. Berg: Arrest Bush and Cheney > … > Philip J. Berg, Esq. Seeking the “Truth of 9/11”Calls on World CommunityTo Arrest and Try Bush & Cheney forGlobal Crimes of 9/11(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 01/04/07) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, [Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate; an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA, who prior hereto has filed a RICO lawsuit against Bush and others for the events of 9/11 and plans to re-file shortly] announced today that he was issuing a call for world leaders to arrest and try Bush and Cheney for the global crimes of 9/11/01.Philip J. Berg, Esquire stated in a letter to the nations throughout the world: > “It is time for the nations of the world to come forth and take the leadership because of the failure of the United States Government… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/5 "2008-08-29T03:06:54Z")
[QUOTE=asterion] I’m still trying to figure out why it makes more sense to make you start a new thread than just removing the offending link/comment. [/QUOTE] The “Edit” function is only good for five minutes. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/6 "2008-08-29T03:08:43Z")
[QUOTE=Kolak of Twilo] I would guess this gets tossed out of court so fast it bounces. [/QUOTE] Well, I dunno. It would be a good complaint **if the facts alleged were true.** Which they’re not. But the court can’t dismiss it because they’re not, without giving the plaintiff a chance to prove them. The law’s funny that way. (Which does not mean the case will go to trial – it could be dismissed before trial if the plaintiff fails to present any evidence that makes out a _prima facie_ case that could reasonably be presented to a jury.) ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/7 "2008-08-29T03:13:48Z")
[QUOTE=asterion] I’m still trying to figure out why it makes more sense to make you start a new thread than just removing the offending link/comment. [/QUOTE] I’m trying to figure out why this warranted a thread to begin with, let alone two. Dipshit does something stupid; alert the SDMB! ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/8 "2008-08-29T03:15:10Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] The “Edit” function is only good for five minutes. [/QUOTE] Yeah, but it can’t be that much more work for fluiddruid to edit the post than to lock the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/9 "2008-08-29T03:16:08Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] The “Edit” function is only good for five minutes. [/QUOTE] It’s rather stupid to not allow mods and admins unlimited editing power. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/10 "2008-08-29T03:33:27Z")
[QUOTE=Slacker] I’m trying to figure out why this warranted a thread to begin with, let alone two. Dipshit does something stupid; alert the SDMB! [/QUOTE] It warrants a thread because this stupid dipshit is not acting alone. Like the “Obama is a Muslim” meme, the “Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. meme” is persistently and vigorously buzzing around in cyberspace. As such, it needs to be addressed (you may disagree, but the Obama campaign sees it that way – see [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=471684) GD thread for debate on that point). For an insightful discussion of this particular information-age political phenomenon, see [here.](http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071112/hayes) ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/11 "2008-08-29T04:08:37Z")
And I will say again that the poll in the sidebar that shows that the majority of those who bothered to respond think Obama is somehow involved in murder is all I need to know about the core audience of that site (and thus how seriously to take the lawsuit therein). ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/12 "2008-08-29T04:10:10Z")
[QUOTE=asterion] Yeah, but it can’t be that much more work for fluiddruid to edit the post than to lock the thread. [/QUOTE] It would seem to suggest that **fluiddruid** ’s mouth says No but his eyes say Yes Yes Yes. “I am required to tell you not to do this. But I’m not required to make it impossible for you to do it anyway.” I take that as tacit support for the suggestion made in the previous OP. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/13 "2008-08-29T04:14:17Z")
[QUOTE=lissener] It would seem to suggest that **fluiddruid** ’s mouth says No but his eyes say Yes Yes Yes. “I am required to tell you not to do this. But I’m not required to make it impossible for you to do it anyway.” [/QUOTE] I’m a _girl_. In other words, I have a hoo-ha, not a ding-a-ling. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/14 "2008-08-29T05:00:13Z")
[QUOTE=fluiddruid] I’m a _girl_. In other words, I have a hoo-ha, not a ding-a-ling. [/QUOTE] But as mod for The Pit you have to deal with a lot of ding-a-lings, right? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/15 "2008-08-29T05:59:31Z")
I’ve seen that citizenwells site before. It’s one of the the sites pushing the crackhead who says he gave Obama a blowjob. It’s the fringe of the fringe. People talk a lot about morons posting on the internet, but that site really is representative of the bottom of the bell curve. I’ve read enough of it to almost start feeling sorry for the people who post there. They’re so dumb it’s hard to even be angry at them. They’re so gullible and naive, they’re like children. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/16 "2008-08-29T06:13:34Z")
I wonder how the RICO case against Bush is working out. ---
**Author:** ![2nd\_Law](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/f475e1/32.png) [@2nd\_Law](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2nd_Law)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/17 "2008-08-29T08:51:04Z")
The plaintiff’s motion for a temporary restraining order was denied (sorry, no link – I looked it up on the Pennsylvania US District Court’s PACER). I’d think this would be a good case for the judge to use Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 to make an example of the plaintiff – award defendant’s attorneys fees, at least. ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/18 "2008-08-29T10:09:08Z")
Like much shit being flung about at both candidates, please ignore the stupid monkeys. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/19 "2008-08-29T11:41:53Z")
[QUOTE=Inner Stickler] It’s rather stupid to not allow mods and admins unlimited editing power. [/QUOTE] We _have_ unlimited editing power. Not to speak for **fluiddruid** , but we prefer not to use it unless we have to, which is why we have rules against using the board to start campaigns and against posting complete copyrighted song lyrics, for example, instead of just removing them all ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![groo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecd19e/32.png) [@groo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/groo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2008, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lawyer-sues-to-block-obama-from-presidency-as-a-non-native-citizen-2/461641/20 "2008-08-29T12:59:48Z")
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