# Lead Codices discovered in Jordan could be earliest Christian texts **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 31, 2011, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lead-codices-discovered-in-jordan-could-be-earliest-christian-texts/576610 "2011-03-31T06:46:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lead-codices-discovered-in-jordan-could-be-earliest-christian-texts/576610/21 "2011-03-31T20:59:53Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > But James Cameron proved that was real! 😛 James Cameron should stick to blue people with dreadlocks. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lead-codices-discovered-in-jordan-could-be-earliest-christian-texts/576610/22 "2011-03-31T21:10:21Z")
> [@](#): > > ames Cameron should stick to blue people with dreadlocks. No, if _Avatar_ proved anything, it’s that he _shouldn’t_ stick to blue people, but he’s going to do it anyway. I personally think he should stick to killer cyborgs from the future. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lead-codices-discovered-in-jordan-could-be-earliest-christian-texts/576610/23 "2011-04-03T03:12:27Z")
They’re apparently rather incompetent fakes: > **[Peter Thonemann on the Lead Codices](https://danielomcclellan.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/peter-thonemann-on-the-lead-codices/)** > > (HT Daniel Peterson and Bill Hamblin) Peter Thonemann at Oxford has staked his career on the conclusion that the lead codices being discussed recently are forgeries executed within the last 50 year… > **[On the Lead vs. Copper Codices](https://danielomcclellan.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/on-the-lead-vs-bronze-codices/)** > > I’ve seen come comments here and there wondering if we can draw conclusions about the new lead codices with their paleo-Hebrew script based on the judgments passed on the old copper plate ana… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lead-codices-discovered-in-jordan-could-be-earliest-christian-texts/576610/24 "2011-04-03T05:48:40Z")
The repeated use of the word “Oldsmobile” probably raised a red flag. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lead-codices-discovered-in-jordan-could-be-earliest-christian-texts/576610/25 "2011-04-03T06:59:03Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > They’re apparently rather incompetent fakes: > > [Peter Thonemann on the Lead Codices | Daniel O. McClellan](https://danielomcclellan.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/peter-thonemann-on-the-lead-codices/) > [On the Lead vs. Copper Codices | Daniel O. McClellan](https://danielomcclellan.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/on-the-lead-vs-bronze-codices/) Nice to see better imaging of them =) Did you notice on the bottom one the 2 faces that looked like they were impressed by coin rubbing not repousse? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lead-codices-discovered-in-jordan-could-be-earliest-christian-texts/576610/26 "2011-04-03T12:38:32Z")
Ah, good, someone found the article before I did. Yes, they do seem to be fakes. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lead-codices-discovered-in-jordan-could-be-earliest-christian-texts/576610/27 "2011-04-03T17:51:06Z")
there are problems of authenticity----not only with the Greek language of the codices, but also with the owner of them: > [@](#): > > Hassan Saeda, a resident of a Beduin village in northern Israel, maintains that the codices are an heirloom that have been in his family for generations. > Israeli archeological sources have dismissed the importance of the find, noting that Saeda had appeared “every few years” trying to sell the codices, which they characterized as forgeries from an article in the [Jerusalem Post newspaper](http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=214895) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lead-codices-discovered-in-jordan-could-be-earliest-christian-texts/576610.md?page=1)