# Leah Remini goes sane; Scientologists upset **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 16, 2013, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628 "2013-07-16T02:02:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/21 "2013-07-16T18:13:01Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > You just create an experiment that involves telling the patient that the therapy has a high rate of success while having them experience something with no rational basis for working. Yeah, but isn’t psychological therapy something that’s pretty individualized based on problem, history, situation, etc.? How much can you really say that anything has “no rational basis” for working? And placebos in psychology aren’t as simple as a sugar pill. I can’t imagine how you’d design something like that (then again, I’m not a psychologist). ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/22 "2013-07-16T18:19:39Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I was beginning to wonder if there were any Scientologists outside of Hollywood, and then I was in St. Louis and drove by a Scientology temple. I was quite surprised to see that. I saw one in downtown Madrid last month and almost fell on my ass from the surprise. They used to be classified as a dangerous cult. The bottom floor looked like an Apple store for psychoillogical tests, only with less people (thank Cibeles). ---
**Author:** ![MrSquishy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MrSquishy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrSquishy)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/23 "2013-07-16T18:42:22Z")
> [@Ranger\_Jeff](#): > > Scientologists have already started a website [www.whoisleahremini.com](http://www.whoisleahremini.com). There’s no content on it yet. This is similar to other websites they’ve created featuring outspoken ex-scientologists to discredit them. How do you know it was Scientologists? It would have been a good idea for a domain name squatter as well. The whois information just shows DomainsByProxy. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/24 "2013-07-16T18:57:32Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > (Can there even BE a placebo effect in psychology/therapy? I mean, isn’t it predicated around the fact that it DOESN’T _objectively_ work? How do you even apply that to mental sciences?) > [@jackdavinci](#): > > You just create an experiment that involves telling the patient that the therapy has a high rate of success while having them experience something with no rational basis for working. You can also do it with working therapies - tell one group that the therapy has a high rate of success and another group that it has a low rate of success. The actual rate of success will vary somewhat depending on expectations. > [@Leaper](#): > > Yeah, but isn’t psychological therapy something that’s pretty individualized based on problem, history, situation, etc.? How much can you really say that anything has “no rational basis” for working? > > And placebos in psychology aren’t as simple as a sugar pill. I can’t imagine how you’d design something like that (then again, I’m not a psychologist). You’re off-topic in this thread, despite what I said in my earlier mod note. Please take this discussion elsewhere – probably IMHO. Thanks, **twickster** , Cafe Society moderator ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/25 "2013-07-16T20:12:18Z")
For what it’s worth, I have no problem with the thread turning into a general discussion of Scientology. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/26 "2013-07-16T20:17:00Z")
I had never heard of Leah Remini either. Maybe now she’ll be a Celebrity. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/27 "2013-07-16T20:33:46Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I had never heard of Leah Remini either. Her main claim to fame is _The King of Queens_. Maybe not a show you watched but it was on the air for nine seasons. She also had a talk show for a year. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/28 "2013-07-16T20:46:11Z")
She was also Zach’s beach resort girlfriend on _Saved by the Bell_. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/29 "2013-07-16T20:53:20Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > For what it’s worth, I have no problem with the thread turning into a general discussion of Scientology. But I do – this is Cafe Society, not GQ, GD, IMHO, or the Pit. If you want a general discussion, pls. start it elsewhere. Thanks, **twickster** , Cafe Society moderator ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/30 "2013-07-16T21:07:40Z")
Why not just move the thread then? I’m not sure how we can discuss Leah leaving Scientology without discussing Scientology. It’s not like we were discussing Scientology in and of itself. We were discussing Leah’s choice to leave the organization while still appreciating some of it’s beliefs. It is impossible to discuss that without getting into the plausibility of that. It’s like starting a thread about Richard Gere’s Buddhism without being able to talk about whether his sort of practice counts as real Buddhism. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/31 "2013-07-16T21:12:02Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I watched an interview with Jeffrey Tambor (George Bluth on _Arrested Development_,among many other things) in which he said the two things people most often get wrong about him are > 1- he’s not Dr. Phil (apparently he’s mistaken for Dr. Phil a lot, especially when he has facial hair) Heck ya he does. > **[File:Tambor.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tambor.jpg)** > > Tambor.jpg (392 × 533 pixels, file size: 67 KB, MIME type: image/jpeg) > Click on a date/time to view the file as it appeared at that time. > You cannot overwrite this file. The following 2 pages use this file: > [@Kimballkid](#): > > She was also Zach’s beach resort girlfriend on _Saved by the Bell_. Damn, I remember that. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/32 "2013-07-17T00:10:35Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I was beginning to wonder if there were any Scientologists outside of Hollywood, and then I was in St. Louis and drove by a Scientology temple. I was quite surprised to see that. One of the big Scientology headquarters is in Clearwater, FL. ---
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/33 "2013-07-17T00:40:55Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > As a religion, it’s no stupider than most. It’s the organization that’s the problem - and the best way to bring down that kind of organization is to show believers that they don’t need it in order to believe. By remaining a believer, she’s actually doing the CoS \*more \*damage. This is a really good post. My first instinct is to think of CoS as a cult. But, you’re right, the content isn’t the same as the organization’s action. I didn’t see it that way, until reading this. Thanks for being smart. One unfortunate (or fortunate if you are a Scientologist) thing about this is the fact that Leah Remini most likely has already hit the high point of her career. After co-starring on a hit show it is unlikely she will strike gold again. Therefore, if her career takes the most likely route, the CoS will be able to claim to their followers that they were the reason for her lack of success. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/34 "2013-07-17T01:51:19Z")
They’re probably just upset because they’re not getting her money any more. There’s an organization called the Cult Awareness Network that was kidnapped, for want of a better term, by Scientology. > **[Cult Awareness Network](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_Awareness_Network)** > > The Cult Awareness Network (CAN) was an anti-cult organization created by deprogrammer Ted Patrick that provided information on groups that it considered to be cults, as well as support and referrals to deprogrammers. > It was founded in the wake of the 1978 cult mass murder/suicide at Jonestown, Guyana. After CAN lost a lawsuit and filed for bankruptcy in 1996, Scientologists were able to acquire CAN's name, phone numbers, assets, files and records, and reopened the organization under Ted Pat... ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/35 "2013-07-17T02:14:36Z")
> [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > One of the big Scientology headquarters is in Clearwater, FL. One of? It’s THE Scientology headquarters. ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/36 "2013-07-17T02:36:28Z")
The funny thing is, she was one of the celebs that came on the [BBC Panorama episode about Scientology](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC8QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DrFRSt_viosc&ei=agLmUbmoN8aryQH0noCYDw&usg=AFQjCNHX--LM5-oaF0_m0Ght3zImEcOOOg&sig2=o2AxTIUm7wvvrDRwc6dHaA&bvm=bv.49405654,d.aWc) with John Sweeney. I seem to recall she was pretty haughty about Scientology, etc. I saw a car with a Scientology symbol on the back today in traffic. Never seen that before! ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/37 "2013-07-17T02:37:00Z")
How is the flat bread different from the thin crust pizza? Seems like the same thing to me. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/38 "2013-07-17T03:11:11Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I watched an interview with Jeffrey Tambor (George Bluth on _Arrested Development_,among many other things) in which he said the two things people most often get wrong about him are > 1- he’s not Dr. Phil (apparently he’s mistaken for Dr. Phil a lot, especially when he has facial hair) > 2- he’s not a Scientologist > He said he did once attend Scientologist courses and auditing but decided it wasn’t for him, and that was many years ago, yet for some reason his name appears on lists of celebrity Scientologists. > He had a sort of “not that there’s anything wrong with that” implied afterward, but it’s info I’d definitely want to correct. Having seen a couple of those lists I was actually glad to learn he isn’t one. **Sampiro** , this thread is about Leah Remini, not Jeffery Tambor. Please stay on topic. Do not deviate from the topic. Eyes front! This goes for you too, **Drunky Smurf**. The SDMB is serious buisness. ---
**Author:** ![Spud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spud/32/347_2.png) [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/39 "2013-07-17T03:12:00Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > How is the flat bread different from the thin crust pizza? Seems like the same thing to me. Well, thin crust pizza is a mainstream religion… flat bread was just made up by some science fiction writer. But it seems to be popular among celebrities. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628/40 "2013-07-17T03:15:44Z")
> [@Spud](#): > > Well, thin crust pizza is a mainstream religion… flat bread was just made up by some science fiction writer. But it seems to be popular among celebrities. 😃 Okay, I have no idea how that happened but I obviously posted in the wrong thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leah-remini-goes-sane-scientologists-upset/663628.md?page=3)