# Leaked DNC emails show primary process rigged **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 22, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627 "2016-07-22T20:46:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/81 "2016-07-24T16:15:42Z")
By whatever process, there is no doubt in my mind that the Democrats chose the better candidate. I favored Bernie over Hillary, but Hillary is a better general election candidate than Bernie is. Maybe not across the board, item by item, but overall. Same goes for Elizabeth Warren, btw. Though she’s the darling of this MB, she wouldn’t be a good candidate in the general election. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/82 "2016-07-24T16:24:53Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Putin’s dirty-tricks department sent the flying cybermonkeys to try to top the American election toward the candidate who proposes to throw the Baltic States under the bus. Color me shocked. :rolleyes: And the few remaining Bernie Bros, not seeing or caring that we have just witnessed a foreign power try to influence a US Presidential election, are more concerned about rehashing their tired arguments than joining their purported leader in stopping Donald Trump and winning for the Democratic party. Color me shocked. :rolleyes: Anyway, as far as the convention goes, [Wasserman is out](http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/dnc-wikileaks-emails/index.html), so Bernie won there, too. It required an assist from Putin (or Assange), but you take what you can get. I’ll leave it to others to make the obvious jokes and puns. 😉 So don’t whine about the process, learn it and use it, but realize that for this election cycle, the nomination portion is over. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/83 "2016-07-24T16:26:51Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > Do I vote for someone I dislike, just to keep someone I dislike more out of the White House? Or do I vote for a third party and essentially waist my vote in protest and good conscious? > > Still haven’t decided. I’m turned off by this: “You’re either with us, or against us.” attitude. It’s not either a matter of being with us or against us. It’s a matter of understanding political history and having a realistic appraisal of the current state of politics. That arrogant little shit Julian Assange sits there in the Ecuadorean Embassy and orchestrates a Wikileaks attack on Hillary with the express purpose of repaying her for interventions in Latin America – and we’re to pretend like this is objective reporting of truth. Donald Trump won’t be worse. Well no, not from where Assange sits, but what about from where you and I sit (I’m assuming you’re American). Think a little. That’s all I’m really asking here. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/84 "2016-07-24T16:44:20Z")
> [@dreamregent](#): > > You simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Do you even know what the defining characteristic of communism is in the first place? In college, I was hardly a Young Republican. I helped organize an anarchist conference (and if you’ve got an incredibly lame joke you’re itching to make, there’s your cue). But I tried to have some brains about my politics. I remember once, after some dude in a class went on a rant about the evils of capitalism, I asked him, “I’m not clear, what exactly do you mean when you say ‘capitalism’?” He looked at me like I was an idiot, and said, “I mean **greed**.” “That’s all?” “Uh, **yeah**.” So, yeah. I kind of figure it’s helpful to know the meaning of the words that you rail against. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/85 "2016-07-24T17:05:33Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > And the few remaining Bernie Bros, not seeing or caring that we have just witnessed a foreign power try to influence a US Presidential election, are more concerned about rehashing their tired arguments than joining their purported leader in stopping Donald Trump and winning for the Democratic party. Color me shocked. :rolleyes: > > Anyway, as far as the convention goes, [Wasserman is out](http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/dnc-wikileaks-emails/index.html), so Bernie won there, too. It required an assist from Putin (or Assange), but you take what you can get. I’ll leave it to others to make the obvious jokes and puns. 😉 > > So don’t whine about the process, learn it and use it, but realize that for this election cycle, the nomination portion is over. Wasserman Schultz is a non-issue anyway. Her work, dirty or not, is already done; she was just hanging around to run the convention and nobody really needs her to do that anyway. In other news, Tim Kaine has apparently reversed course on TPP. Bernie voters can call that shameless politics, but that’s exactly the point. If they would show up and vote in all elections and not just this one, they might be able to continue applying pressure to the Democratic party to fight for progressives not move to the center. If progressives don’t show up and vote in key elections, then Clinton and Kaine will have no choice but to move to the center – in order to stop the extreme right from commandeering the national agenda. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/86 "2016-07-24T19:15:03Z")
[Sanders calls for DSW’s resignation after email leak revelations](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/sanders-wasserman-schultz-should-resign-now-after-leaks-226083). My prediction: DSW likely has fewer than 24 hours remaining in her post. Bernie speaks tomorrow and HRC is not going to let him Cruz her. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/87 "2016-07-24T19:17:26Z")
Surprisingly muted comment about [this](https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7643): > [@](#): > > [From:MARSHALL@dnc.org](mailto:From:MARSHALL@dnc.org) > To: [MirandaL@dnc.org](mailto:MirandaL@dnc.org), [PaustenbachM@dnc.org](mailto:PaustenbachM@dnc.org), [DaceyA@dnc.org](mailto:DaceyA@dnc.org) > Date: 2016-05-05 03:31 > Subject: No shit > > * * * > > It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/88 "2016-07-24T19:19:56Z")
Somebody I don’t know sent a stupid idea to three people whom I don’t know, an idea that was never enacted… that’s what I make of it. Now, the followup from HRC saying “GOOD IDEA!”… that will get my attention. But it won’t as it doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/89 "2016-07-24T19:21:52Z")
Dammit, she hid the evidence again, the traitorous bitch! ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/90 "2016-07-24T19:27:15Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Somebody I don’t know […] Pretty easy to find out, if you _wanted_ to. He is the CFO of the DNC. I assume this had no connection to HRC. But this is a somewhat important guy in his own right. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/91 "2016-07-24T19:29:37Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > Here’s the thing… > > I’m not a good debater, ESPESSIALLY compared to most of the very intelligent people on these boards. I read all of the replies, and though I don’t agree with what some of you have said, I’m at a huge disadvantage when I try to address the individuals who respended. > > **asahi** said; > > \*\*“Hillary Clinton, for all of her very obvious flaws, is a known commodity.” \*\* > > So you admit that Clinton has “very obvious flaws”? I noticed that too! > > Forget about Bernie. I was NEVER a ‘Bernie or Bust’ guy. I happen to think that I would still be questioning whether or not I would vote for her if Bernie wasn’t ever a factor. > > **Do I vote for someone I dislike, just to keep someone I dislike more out of the White House?** Or do I vote for a third party and essentially waist my vote in protest and good conscious? YES! This isn’t rocket surgery, you know. To extend Colbert’s metaphor, there’s no Coke on the menu; only Pepsi or a mouth full of bees. There isn’t the option to choose a cool glass of pure water or symbolic protest milk, or even NOT HAVING ANYTHING AT ALL. You’re here, you’re going to GET either Pepsi or a mouthful of bees. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/92 "2016-07-24T19:39:16Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Pretty easy to find out, if you _wanted_ to. > > He is the CFO of the DNC. > > I assume this had no connection to HRC. But this is a somewhat important guy in his own right. No, you’re right. But the idea, as far as we know, went nowhere. It speaks more to Mr. Marshall’s prejudice against Appalachia than anything. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/93 "2016-07-24T19:49:12Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > … Do I vote for someone I dislike, just to keep someone I dislike more out of the White House? Or do I vote for a third party and essentially waist my vote in protest and good conscious? … > [@asahi](#): > > It’s not either a matter of being with us or against us. It’s a matter of understanding political history and having a realistic appraisal of the current state of politics. … Yes. It’s also about realizing what a vote _is_. A vote is an action with an outcome. It’s not an avatar of one’s soul or an emblem of one’s selfhood. It’s not the very representation of the innermost core of one’s being. It’s something _much less self-involved_ than that. It’s a thing you do that has consequences, and if you _care_ about those consequences–if you care whether or not Donald Trump gets the nuclear codes, as well as the power to nominate Supreme Court Justices–then you should vote accordingly. > [@asahi](#): > > … In other news, Tim Kaine has apparently reversed course on TPP. Bernie voters can call that shameless politics, but that’s exactly the point. If they would show up and vote in all elections and not just this one, they might be able to continue applying pressure to the Democratic party to fight for progressives not move to the center. If progressives don’t show up and vote in key elections, then Clinton and Kaine will have no choice but to move to the center – in order to stop the extreme right from commandeering the national agenda. Yes, yes, and yes. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/94 "2016-07-24T20:11:44Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Sanders calls for DSW’s resignation after email leak revelations](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/sanders-wasserman-schultz-should-resign-now-after-leaks-226083). > > My prediction: DSW likely has fewer than 24 hours remaining in her post. Bernie speaks tomorrow and HRC is not going to let him Cruz her. [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/wasserman-schultz-wont-preside-over-dnc-convention-226088](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/wasserman-schultz-wont-preside-over-dnc-convention-226088) Damn, not only was I right, I wasn’t even close. How does that happen? 😉 Anyway, she resigned less than an hour from the time I posted the above. Took one for the team as to not be a distraction, shows the difference between a disciplined organization that HRC runs and the complete mess that Trump is in charge of. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/95 "2016-07-24T20:22:45Z")
I wasn’t too impressed with Sanders’ extremely belated concession and I think at least some of his troubles with the DNC were provoked by his own attacks, but full credit to the guy for making it clear in interviews today that he considers Trump the big enemy here. There wouldn’t have been a Cruz-like convention speech even if they didn’t sack DWS, but it’s probably just as well that she goes. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/96 "2016-07-24T21:02:30Z")
So, those who minimized these leaked emails on page 1 of this thread as\* no big deal\* were talking out of their collective partisan ass. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/97 "2016-07-24T21:19:57Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > So, those who minimized these leaked emails on page 1 of this thread as\* no big deal\* were talking out of their collective partisan ass. Today, they are a story. Check back with us in 30 days. I’ll go on record as saying this will be a dead issue by then. It won’t even take 30 days, that is just a nice round number. So says my partisan ass. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/98 "2016-07-24T21:59:18Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Exactly. Bernie was a loose cannon that needed to be squelched. But that’s what the superdelegates were for. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/99 "2016-07-24T22:29:37Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > Today, they are a story. Check back with us in 30 days. I’ll go on record as saying this will be a dead issue by then. It won’t even take 30 days, that is just a nice round number. > > So says my partisan ass. Perhaps, but one reason it may be a dead issue in 30 days is the resignation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz. The resignation in itself makes the leaked emails a big deal. The Chair of the DNC does not normally resign over a trivial “nothing to see here” matter. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627/100 "2016-07-24T22:35:43Z")
It’s not like this occurred in a vacuum, either. Bernie’s been calling for her resignation for months. I’m of the ‘yawn, and move on’ camp. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-dnc-emails-show-primary-process-rigged/760627.md?page=6)