# "Leave Donald Alone!" Pleads His Press Secretary **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 2, 2017, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125 "2017-01-02T04:23:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/441 "2017-01-29T01:07:37Z")
> [@Aquadementia](#): > > You might want to take a look at that list and think for a minute about what’s been going on in those countries listed with zero. > If that doesn’t help try Google or Wikipedia. Frankly I’m not to sure myself what can be tied to Yemen and Sudan. > But you’re going to have to decide if you’re going to be posting reason or alternative facts. Can you refute any of that list? Please do so. ---
**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/442 "2017-01-29T01:09:12Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > Can you refute any of that list? Please do so. Really, look at the list and think for a minute. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/443 "2017-01-29T01:10:05Z")
> [@Aquadementia](#): > > You might want to take a look at that list and think for a minute about what’s been going on in those countries listed with zero. > > If that doesn’t help try Google or Wikipedia. Frankly I’m not to sure myself what can be tied to Yemen and Sudan. > > But you’re going to have to decide if you’re going to be posting reason or alternative facts. It’s an alternative fact world these days. Fight fire with fire. Why should one side have all the fun? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/444 "2017-01-29T01:11:06Z")
Come on over to Canada. We have Tim Horton’s coffee. [https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170129/d31570dee9782abf637d997d3f21819d.jpg](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170129/d31570dee9782abf637d997d3f21819d.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/445 "2017-01-29T01:11:47Z")
> [@Aquadementia](#): > > Really, look at the list and think for a minute. Really, provide something other than “alternative facts” to back up your implication. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/446 "2017-01-29T01:24:18Z")
> [@Aquadementia](#): > > Really, look at the list and think for a minute. > [@](#): > > The president’s executive action, which he signed Friday at the Pentagon, applies to these countries: Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Iraq and Sudan. > \*\* > Yet no Muslim extremist from any of these places has carried out a fatal attack in the U.S. in more than two decades.\*\* > > **In contrast, here are the countries of origin of radicalized Muslims who carried out deadly attacks in the U.S., beginning on Sept. 11, 2001: Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, United Arab Emirates, Russia and Pakistan.** The ban does NOT apply to the countries that HAVE produced deadly terrorists. [Here are some actual (non-alternative) facts. Where’s yours?](http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/01/27/511861645/trumps-immigration-freeze-omits-those-linked-to-deadly-attacks-in-u-s) ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/447 "2017-01-29T01:36:15Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > The ban does NOT apply to the countries that HAVE produced deadly terrorists. > > [Here are some actual (non-alternative) facts. Where’s yours?](http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/01/27/511861645/trumps-immigration-freeze-omits-those-linked-to-deadly-attacks-in-u-s) That’s true. Most of the 19 terrorists on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, as was Osama Bin Laden. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/448 "2017-01-29T01:57:39Z")
The list is misleading at best. It might be true that no Americans were killed by Iraqi citizens _in the US_ in the years 1975-2015. I don’t know. But I’m reasonably certain that some Americans have been killed by Iraqis. We did fight two wars there and all. Similarly, I recall some unpleasantness in Somalia. Which is not to say I support Trump’s order in any way. I hate Trump, and I’m deeply afraid of the direction we’re headed. But, fighting ignorance and all that. I don’t think fighting fire with fire is a good idea (the fire department generally uses water), nor do I think fighting ignorance with ignorance is particularly effective. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/449 "2017-01-29T03:36:49Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > The list is misleading at best. It might be true that no Americans were killed by Iraqi citizens _in the US_ in the years 1975-2015. I don’t know. Since The order that the list is offering evidence against is specifically related to preventing people from coming into the U.S. for fear of what they might do in the U.S. , I would say that focusing on what has been done in the U.S. is directly on point and not misleading in purpose. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/450 "2017-01-29T03:44:29Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Since The order that the list is offering evidence against is specifically related to preventing people from coming into the U.S. for fear of what they might do in the U.S. , I would say that focusing on what has been done in the U.S. is directly on point and not misleading in purpose. There have been refugees coming in for years. Name one incident that any one of them has committed. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/451 "2017-01-29T03:52:47Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Since The order that the list is offering evidence against is specifically related to preventing people from coming into the U.S. for fear of what they might do in the U.S. , I would say that focusing on what has been done in the U.S. is directly on point and not misleading in purpose. I _think_ we’re mostly in agreement. I think it’s a bad chart because the data is not described accurately. I’m fully willing to accept that, for example, no Iraqi has committed any terrorist act in the US. And I further agree that this is one of many reasons why the exec order is fucking bananas. I just think the chart is badly presented. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/452 "2017-01-29T04:12:04Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > There have been refugees coming in for years. Name one incident that any one of them has committed. There was a Chaldean chick who totally cock-blocked from her hot friend me in a bar in royal oak. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/453 "2017-01-29T04:41:36Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > There was a Chaldean chick who totally cock-blocked from her hot friend me in a bar in royal oak. :mad: Please diagram that sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/454 "2017-01-29T06:14:23Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > There was a Chaldean chick who totally cock-blocked from her hot friend me in a bar in royal oak. :mad: Start that sentence with “Wullah” and end it with “bro” and this is a direct quote from a Lebanese guy I knew in college. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/455 "2017-01-29T17:09:21Z")
[https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15873136\_10207655789501024\_8973201586228503042\_n.jpg?oh=2de11c131ad8a9197c303ac628019529&oe=590B8744](https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15873136_10207655789501024_8973201586228503042_n.jpg?oh=2de11c131ad8a9197c303ac628019529&oe=590B8744) If the link doesn’t work it’s a depiction of a naked fat Trump being spray painted orange by a woman with the caption: “If any of you all was hating your job today, cheer up, it could be so much worse”. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/456 "2017-01-29T17:19:16Z")
I like the one with the British lady so demurely dressed with the sign reading “I am rather cross about all this.” Pip, pip. Good show, that. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/457 "2017-02-01T16:36:14Z")
[Mrs. Donald Putin](https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16473881_1404922092859664_7424487408211608070_n.jpg?oh=719f72e2a833129bdf1907ba45468bc0&oe=5949F890) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/458 "2017-02-01T16:43:27Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15873136\_10207655789501024\_8973201586228503042\_n.jpg?oh=2de11c131ad8a9197c303ac628019529&oe=590B8744](https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15873136_10207655789501024_8973201586228503042_n.jpg?oh=2de11c131ad8a9197c303ac628019529&oe=590B8744) > > If the link doesn’t work it’s a depiction of a naked fat Trump being spray painted orange by a woman with the caption: “If any of you all was hating your job today, cheer up, it could be so much worse”. I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work. Let’s just say it doesn’t, so I won’t have to check. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/459 "2017-02-02T18:08:25Z")
[“New Dove antiperspirant boosts your Wi-Fi signal and boosts your IQ by 40 points.”](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/doves-alternativefacts-campaign-perfect-trolls-the-trump-administration_us_5891feffe4b02772c4ea67db?ir=Entertainment&) Dove Deodorant’s #AlternativeFacts Campaign Trolls The Trump Administration And this: [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrvtqtvJQjU) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125/460 "2017-02-02T19:56:11Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15873136\_10207655789501024\_8973201586228503042\_n.jpg?oh=2de11c131ad8a9197c303ac628019529&oe=590B8744](https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15873136_10207655789501024_8973201586228503042_n.jpg?oh=2de11c131ad8a9197c303ac628019529&oe=590B8744) > > If the link doesn’t work it’s a depiction of a naked fat Trump being spray painted orange by a woman with the caption: “If any of you all was hating your job today, cheer up, it could be so much worse”. Your link is working, [so I broke it.](https://sxcontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15873136_10207655789501024_8973201586228503042_n.jpg?oh=2de11c131ad8a9197c303ac628019529&oe=590B8744) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-donald-alone-pleads-his-press-secretary/776125.md?page=24)