# Leave the Citgo sign alone, you grandstanding jingoist schmuck! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2006, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909 "2006-09-24T00:55:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/1 "2006-09-24T00:55:18Z")
One of Boston’s cherished landmarks is an immense neon sign advertising an oil company, Citgo. It’s been [looming over Fenway Park’s famed Green Monster](http://mario.mlblogs.com/photos/boston/boston_005.jpg) for decades. Its [light shines at night](http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/photos/cambridge_boston/images/Citgo%20sign%20&%20Fenway%20lights.jpg) over the [Charles River](http://www.trupin.com/photos/Scenery/Citgo.jpg). Its continued existence as a landmark has been [threatened before](http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/fenway/unique.html): > [@](#): > > Whether you’re emerging from the T at Kenmore Square or driving in your car on Storrow Drive, that first view of the Citgo sign signals your proximity to Fenway. During the game, its blinking lights are as much a fixture as the Fenway Frank. When I lived outside New England, driving by a Citgo station always brought a smile to my face and reminded me of home. > > It all began in 1940, when Cities Service erected a sign over their divisional offices building. The Citgo sign as we know it today was installed in 1965. When the sign’s lights were turned off in 1979 to save energy, Sox fans rallied, asking that the sign be declared a Boston landmark. While it never achieved official landmark status (because the city of Boston would be financially responsible for maintaining it rather than the Citgo company), the public outcry was so great when Citgo tried to remove the sign a few years later, that the company agreed to leave it in place and turn the lights back on. In fact, Citgo sank a million bucks into refurbishing the sign just last year, and it’s [looking great.](http://www.rushyoung.com/usa/massachusetts/boston/mabo_2001_12_fenway1.jpg) But now the sign’s being threatened again. Not by its owners, no – but by a jingoistic fuckwad member of the city council. Whipped to a fever pitch of patriotic fury by Chavez’s horrific attack on the leader of the Free World at the UN, this dipshit demagogue wants to tear the sign down. [Why?](http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/09/22/boston_pol_takes_aim_at_citgo_sign_after_devil_comment/) > [@](#): > > after Chavez called President Bush “the devil” during a speech Wednesday at the United Nations, Councilor Jerry McDermott said the sign has to go. Citgo is subsidiary of Venezuela’s state oil company. McDermott wants replace the sign with an American flag. Jerry, you gutter-born whelp of a pustulent crack whore, you pandering shitlicking argument for eugenics, leave that sign alone! Go sell city contracts, go get another nephew into a no-show job, go to hell and don’t collect $200, you chest-thumping coprophagic clotbrain! Fucker. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/2 "2006-09-24T00:58:59Z")
Excellent Pitting. I could see the Citgo sign from my dorm room. There are plenty of places to put flags, but only one Citgo sign. Why does that shmuck hate Boston? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/3 "2006-09-24T01:19:54Z")
Fuck Citgo, fuck Chavez, and fuck the “landmark.” Nothing has been holy in baseball since they put lights in Wrigley. Deal with it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/4 "2006-09-24T01:27:34Z")
Don’t hold back, **ETF**. Tell us how you really feel. And whazza “Fenway”? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/5 "2006-09-24T01:33:01Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] And whazza “Fenway”? [/QUOTE] about eight pounds. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/6 "2006-09-24T01:52:04Z")
Gotta make it look like an accident… ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/7 "2006-09-24T01:52:33Z")
[QUOTE=wring] about eight pounds. [/QUOTE] :dubious: Depends whether they’ve been feeding it on Fenway Franks. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/8 "2006-09-24T02:30:15Z")
And isn’t that just typical of the average lefty moonbat politician, always ready to blame some big corporation for _everything_ thats wrong, from pollution to health care, they’re always looking to blame some innocent corporation… He’s what? Yer shitting me Its owned by _who_? But he’s a _Marxist_! \*\*\* WTF!!\*\*\* Now matter how fast you run, the wierdness runs faster. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/9 "2006-09-24T03:11:24Z")
First, dey took down the mother fucking Citgo sign. And I said nutt’n. Then, dey came after my mutha, so I planted some lead in they heads, know what I’m sayin? Why am I doing Jersey talk in a Boston thread? THAT’S the real question here, yo. Wicked funny, I’m tellin ya. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/10 "2006-09-24T03:25:10Z")
This was just weird. I mean, the guy’s \*from \*Boston. His job is dependent on the continued support of Bostonians. He should know: you don’t fuck with the Red Socks. Then again, this is a good canary in the caves type of thing. If jingonism becomes stronger than Sox-Mania in the city of Boston, we’re a fascist state. I mean, Hitler wished he commanded the kind of fervor and loyalty the Red Sox do. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/11 "2006-09-24T03:42:50Z")
Well, to be fair, this year’s season is in the toilet. Less risk in annoying the Red Sox Nation. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/12 "2006-09-24T03:59:58Z")
Someone is about to rush in and point out that you can’t really blame Bush for that. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/13 "2006-09-24T04:03:07Z")
Damn straight, **luci** – it’s Clinton’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/14 "2006-09-24T04:57:35Z")
This Citgo sign is on private property, right? Seizing someone’s sign on private property and replacing it with a national flag sounds like the sort of thing some kinda Communistic lefty pinko Marxist–you know, like that Chavez guy down in Venezuela–would try to pull. If Jerry McDermott wants to put up a great bit American flag, he can put it up over his house. Or buy a suitable location. Or hell, he can even put one up over City Hall. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/15 "2006-09-24T05:12:06Z")
[QUOTE=MEBuckner] If Jerry McDermott wants to put up a great bit American flag, he can put it up over his house. Or buy a suitable location. Or hell, he can even put one up over City Hall. [/QUOTE] Hey, do a Christo-style wrap of City Hall? Great idea! Place is an eyesore anyway, unless your taste runs to brutalist [upside-down ziggurats.](http://66.230.220.70/images/post/medieval-boston/07a.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/16 "2006-09-24T05:26:42Z")
Hey, if Jerry McDermott wants I’ll head on down to Pasadena (TX) to liberate the Lyondell Citgo refinery. Full gasoline tanks for everybody who joins in. Who’s with me? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/17 "2006-09-24T07:22:53Z")
Jesus that Citgo sign is ugly. I guess the only thing that could possibly look tackier in its place is a giant American flag, though, so fuck this guy. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/18 "2006-09-24T07:39:00Z")
[QUOTE=Menocchio] He should know: you don’t fuck with the Red **Socks.** [/QUOTE] We’ve caught an imposter! A spy from New York in our very midst! Into the Charles with him! ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-the-citgo-sign-alone-you-grandstanding-jingoist-schmuck/373909/19 "2006-09-24T07:52:22Z")
Nonbinding Resolutions are are what the Devil shits after eating bad chicken. ---
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