# Leave your stupid laprat in the car! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 2, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673 "2009-09-02T20:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/61 "2009-09-05T19:00:21Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > There’s standards of Proof and even criminal charges for a fake Service dog: CALIFORNIA CODES > FOOD AND AGRICULTURAL CODE > SECTION 30850-30854 > > \*30850. (a) The animal control department shall endorse upon the > application for an assistance dog identification tag the number of > the identification tag issued. As used in this chapter, “assistance > dogs” are dogs specially trained as guide dogs, signal dogs, or > service dogs. All applications that have been endorsed shall be kept > on file in the office of the animal control department and shall be > open to public inspection. > (b) Whenever a person applies for an assistance dog identification > tag, the person shall sign an affidavit stating as follows: > “By affixing my signature to this affidavit, I hereby declare I > fully understand that Section 365.7 of the Penal Code prohibits any > person to knowingly and fraudulently represent himself or herself, > through verbal or written notice, to be the owner or trainer of any > canine licensed as, to be qualified as, or identified as, a guide > dog, signal dog, or service dog, as defined in subdivisions (d), (e), > and (f), respectively, of Section 365.5 of the Penal Code and > paragraph (6) of subdivision (b) of Section 54.1 of the Civil Code, > and that a violation of Section 365.7 of the Penal Code is a > misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not > exceeding six months, by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars > ($1,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine.” > \* Where did you get this? Last I looked, California doesn’t _require_ this, and I’ve had a service dog here since 2002. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Bird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Little\_Bird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Bird)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/62 "2009-09-05T19:25:24Z")
> [@Ruby](#): > > For the record, our “laprats” are very well behaved so all you haters out there can piss off. The health laws already prohibit us from taking our dogs into your pwecious widdle westaurants (which we all know are 100% sanitary :rolleyes:) My aunt thinks her laprats are well behaved too. I haven’t been to her house in 3 years because of the little fuckers. Keep your little shits out of restaurants, grocery stores, theaters, etc. Some bitch brought her purse-rat into a live performance of Hamlet my husband was in. Could’ve drop kicked the cunt. And her little dog, too. ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/63 "2009-09-05T20:41:41Z")
> [@fisha](#): > > Carrying little dogs around as accessories is nothing but attention whoring, period. Some people just like their dogs and don’t care one way or the other about any attention… but those people don’t carry them around “as accessories” I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/64 "2009-09-05T21:19:37Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Where did you get this? Last I looked, California doesn’t _require_ this, and I’ve had a service dog here since 2002. OK, **CALIFORNIA CODES, FOOD AND AGRICULTURAL CODE, SECTION 30850** > **[WAIS Document Retrieval](http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=18550129460+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve)** ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/65 "2009-09-05T21:37:58Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Where did you get this? Last I looked, California doesn’t _require_ this, and I’ve had a service dog here since 2002. I’m gonna take a wild guess that this is a voluntary ID. It’s not required but if the applicant is found to have lied about the status of the alleged service dog, they’ll be in deep doo-doo. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/66 "2009-09-05T23:01:14Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Or at least one hopes that it was dog shit, as opposed to a statement left by an unattentive parent’s offspring. It was most assuredly from a dog: the _owner’s_ dog, in fact. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/67 "2009-09-06T04:15:37Z")
Apparently I was wrong about required identification for service animals, at least in Wisconsin. [Here is an interesting local story](http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10853558), about a man who has repeatedly been arrested or thrown out of local businesses because of his insistence on bringing his “seizure alert” dog with him. Apparently he has no documentation to prove the dog is a service animal, and according to the city of Madison he can produce no evidence that the dog provides any service. It is all going to Federal court, as the guy is suing the city for violating his rights under the ADA. If the guy is being truthful and is prone to seizures, it is particularly sad to note that he has been tasered by the cops for not complying with there orders. There are several local agencies that assist people with disabilities, and though none of them seem to be verifying his claim that his dog is a service animal, they are backing up his claim that he has no legal obligation to provide any form of documentary proof on demand of local business operators or police. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/68 "2009-09-06T05:13:08Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > OK, **CALIFORNIA CODES, FOOD AND AGRICULTURAL CODE, SECTION 30850** > > [WAIS Document Retrieval](http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=18550129460+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve) I don’t know. We’ve raised four guide dog puppies which we’ve taken everywhere, and we never filed any paperwork with anyone. Their coats were good enough, and we also had a letter just in case. Maybe GDB did it, but I doubt it, since we surely would have gotten a copy. If it is a law, it doesn’t seem to be getting enforced, unless there is another clause in there giving blanket permission. The link didn’t work for me, being California, it is probably on furlough. ---
**Author:** ![CT\_Damsel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CT\_Damsel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CT_Damsel)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/69 "2009-09-06T09:18:18Z")
I call them mallet dogs, as in “Where’s my mallet?” so I can beat them to a pulp. ---
**Author:** ![EvilTOJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee59a6/32.png) [@EvilTOJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilTOJ)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/70 "2009-09-06T11:42:49Z")
> [@Runs\_With\_Scissors](#): > > [Here’s a relevant article from the NY Times about dogs in stores in Oregon.](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/us/03dogs.html?_r=1&scp=3&sq=oregon&st=cse) This article is pretty accurate. There’s goddamn dogs EVERYwhere here! People bringing their smelly yappy bitches (and their dogs) into the stores, the buses, pretty much anywhere where there’s concrete floors. When I was at Home Depot I saw a woman’s dog take a dump right on the floor. She had the good sense to look ashamed while her husband went to the bathroom to get some paper towels. Yes I hung about to see if she’d try to leave it there. It gets pretty bad on our bus and light rail system on sunny summer days too. Tri-Met can’t do anything about it, because their policy is if a rider states their animal is a service animal, they will allow it to ride. Some bum actually brought his python onto the bus and announced it was a service animal, and they had to allow it! ---
**Author:** ![FairyChatMom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fairychatmom/32/21906_2.png) [@FairyChatMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyChatMom)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/71 "2009-09-06T12:17:29Z")
I don’t understand the business of taking dogs everywhere. Ours get in the car for a trip to the vet’s, the groomer’s, and maybe my mom’s place if we’re going to be there all day. Otherwise, they stay home. When I’m shopping or dining out, I don’t need to be dealing with my 4-legged trip hazards, and I certainly don’t expect anyone else to have to either. Heck, when I have repair or service people come to the house, the dogs typically get locked in a bedroom - not because they’re mean, but because they can be annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/72 "2009-09-06T13:44:38Z")
> [@EvilTOJ](#): > > This article is pretty accurate. There’s goddamn dogs EVERYwhere here! People bringing their smelly yappy bitches (and their dogs) into the stores, the buses, pretty much anywhere where there’s concrete floors. When I was at Home Depot I saw a woman’s dog take a dump right on the floor. She had the good sense to look ashamed while her husband went to the bathroom to get some paper towels. Yes I hung about to see if she’d try to leave it there. It gets pretty bad on our bus and light rail system on sunny summer days too. Tri-Met can’t do anything about it, because their policy is if a rider states their animal is a service animal, they will allow it to ride. Some bum actually brought his python onto the bus and announced it was a service animal, and they had to allow it! Uh-oh. Portland is one of the places we’re looking at for our new home. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/73 "2009-09-07T09:33:33Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I don’t know. We’ve raised four guide dog puppies which we’ve taken everywhere, and we never filed any paperwork with anyone. Their coats were good enough, and we also had a letter just in case. Maybe GDB did it, but I doubt it, since we surely would have gotten a copy. If it is a law, it doesn’t seem to be getting enforced, unless there is another clause in there giving blanket permission. The link didn’t work for me, being California, it is probably on furlough. Well, that was an exact quote from the \*\*CALIFORNIA CODES, FOOD AND AGRICULTURAL CODE, SECTION 30850 \*\* So what don’t you believe? Do you think I made up a section of CA Code out of whole cloth? I gave you the exact wording and the exact Code section, and a brief Google search or visit to a library should clear it up if you think I am lying to it.:rolleyes: Hint- I am not. It’s the damn law. Get over it and follow it. Whether or not there are agents going house to house and demanding everyone’s "papers’ is beside the point. It’s the law, it’s there and black and white and this “I don’t know.” is either denial or being a moron. **runner pat** - Nor does it say anywhere it’s “voluntary”. It’s the fucking LAW. Not my opinion. There’s nothing to argue about. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/74 "2009-09-07T11:28:18Z")
Your link doesn’t work for me, and there’s nothing in the section you quoted requiring owners of service animals to register them. ---
**Author:** ![Student\_Driver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3da27b/32.png) [@Student\_Driver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Student_Driver)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/75 "2009-09-07T12:10:13Z")
> [@CT\_Damsel](#): > > I call them mallet dogs, as in “Where’s my mallet?” so I can beat them to a pulp. If you used that name around me, I’d assume you meant you wished to play croquet with the dog, which is still a great mental image. Smacking a yippy dog through a wicket and into a peg? Good clean fun! ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/76 "2009-09-07T12:16:52Z")
> [@Harmonious\_Discord](#): > > In Wisconsin if it isn’t a guide dog that’s a health code violation. You should have called the authorities and watched them ticket the place for letting the dog stay. > > I understand if this was northern Wisconsin, as I had to wait 30 minutes for a bill while the waitress watched her show including the commercials. I’ve written about Bumfuck Wisconsin before and the vacation from Hell. I would have expected your sighting would have been of a lap skunk up there. This is north of the town where they allowed drunks to throw blasting caps into a burning pile of trees all night Come down to Mississippi where you could have the same thing - except the waitress would have been watching Glenn Beck, and you would have had to wait for her to finish the show and her cigarette. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/77 "2009-09-07T14:28:47Z")
> [@FairyChatMom](#): > > I don’t understand the business of taking dogs everywhere. Ours get in the car for a trip to the vet’s, the groomer’s, and maybe my mom’s place if we’re going to be there all day. Otherwise, they stay home. When I’m shopping or dining out, I don’t need to be dealing with my 4-legged trip hazards, and I certainly don’t expect anyone else to have to either. Heck, when I have repair or service people come to the house, the dogs typically get locked in a bedroom - not because they’re mean, but because they can be annoying. When my parents had their Maltese, my mother would frequently take one of them with her when she went to the bank and to run other errands that were not food related, for instance, returning a video. She used the drive through at the bank and wherever else she could. She took the dog because he was company, and because he was “her” dog. That particular dog was, of course, spoiled rotten, but he was well-trained as well. And he loved people. Most people loved him right back. My parents were retired when they got the dogs, and the dogs were basically child substitutes. If they had repair or service people over, then yes, the dogs were frequently either caged or put in the yard, not because they were mean, but because they were so friendly that they’d interfere with the work. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/78 "2009-09-07T17:25:08Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Your link doesn’t work for me, and there’s nothing in the section you quoted requiring owners of service animals to register them. Whether or not the link works, it’s CALIFORNIA CODES, FOOD AND AGRICULTURAL CODE, SECTION 30850 and can be easily verified through other sources. Nor did I say you had to “register” them, the Code sez you need a “assistance dog identification tag”. Try this link, click on Food and Agricultural Code and use 30850 as your search term. [http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html](http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html) ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/79 "2009-09-07T20:30:12Z")
Thank you for the alternate route to the code. No, it doesn’t say you need an assistance dog tag. It says you can get one, and that the state will make one available to you. Also, if you get one fraudulently, you are in violation of the law. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/80 "2009-09-07T20:36:05Z")
I’m glad we’ve established that larger dogs are so much more morally virtuous than small ones. Seriously, what is people’s issue with small dogs? They are dogs, just the same as Labrador Retrievers and Huskies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673.md?page=5)