# Leave your stupid laprat in the car! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 2, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673 "2009-09-02T20:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/81 "2009-09-07T20:40:11Z")
> [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](#): > > I’m glad we’ve established that larger dogs are so much more morally virtuous than small ones. > > Seriously, what is people’s issue with small dogs? They are dogs, just the same as Labrador Retrievers and Huskies. Because they’re more likely to be ill behaved and their owners to have a sense of entitlement about bringing them places they don’t belong. ---
**Author:** ![StaudtCJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@StaudtCJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StaudtCJ)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/82 "2009-09-07T20:45:30Z")
[whiny laprat owner]_But they’re cute, and tiny, so many people feel they aren’t possibly dangerous carnivores. Since little poopsy can’t possibly be dangerous, poopsy’s snarls and “nibbles” aren’t a bad thing. Why should poopsy have to have special training?_ [/whiny laprat owner] Yes, they’re dogs. They should be trained like any other dog not to jump, to eat only their own food (for the dog’s safety), drink only what and where they should (again, for he dog’s safety), not to bark innappropriately, not to bite or growl without good cause or instruction, etc. Size should not matter. Oh, and they should be taught appropriate elimination behavior, and should be picked up after just the same. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/83 "2009-09-07T20:58:36Z")
The tag that the Food and Agricultural Code refers to is ecplicitly required for dogs in training to be service dogs: [Penal Code Section 365.5](http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=3557006048+1+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve) > [@](#): > > (i) Any trainer or individual with a disability may take dogs in > any of the places specified in subdivisions (a) and (b) for the > purpose of training the dogs as guide dogs, signal dogs, or service > dogs. The person shall ensure that the dog is on a leash and tagged > as a guide dog, signal dog, or service dog by an identification tag > issued by the county clerk or animal control department as authorized > by Chapter 3.5 (commencing with Section 30850) of Division 14 of the > Food and Agricultural Code. In addition, the person shall be liable > for any provable damage done to the premises or facilities by his or > her dog. The same is also referred to in [Civil Code 54.1](http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=3561137354+3+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve): > [@](#): > > c) Visually impaired or blind persons and persons licensed to > train guide dogs for individuals who are visually impaired or blind > pursuant to Chapter 9.5 (commencing with Section 7200) of Division 3 > of the Business and Professions Code or guide dogs as defined in the > regulations implementing Title III of the Americans with Disabilities > Act of 1990 (Public Law 101-336), and persons who are deaf or > hearing impaired and persons authorized to train signal dogs for > individuals who are deaf or hearing impaired, and other individuals > with a disability and persons authorized to train service dogs for > individuals with a disability, may take dogs, for the purpose of > training them as guide dogs, signal dogs, or service dogs in any of > the places specified in subdivisions (a) and (b). These persons > shall ensure that the dog is on a leash and tagged as a guide dog, > signal dog, or service dog by identification tag issued by the county > clerk, animal control department, or other agency, as authorized by > Chapter 3.5 (commencing with Section 30850) of Division 14 of the > Food and Agricultural Code. In addition, the person shall be liable > for any provable damage done to the premises or facilities by his or > her dog. Kind of odd that the service dog tags are not actually for fully fledged service dogs, but instead for dogs being trained as such. Nowhere in reading through this stuff did I find anything saying that “practising” service dogs are required to carry identification, nor that their owners are. I find this quite surprising. But it does jibe with what I found out about Wisconsin law. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/84 "2009-09-07T22:44:24Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > I’m gonna take a wild guess that this is a voluntary ID. It’s not required but if the applicant is found to have lied about the status of the alleged service dog, they’ll be in deep doo-doo. This is what the law was in California, unless something has changed. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Well, that was an exact quote from the CALIFORNIA CODES, FOOD AND AGRICULTURAL CODE, SECTION 30850 > So what don’t you believe? I’d like to know what else it says, to see if there is someplace that indicates this is voluntary and/or a date that shows when it changed. Also, that is is actually the full & correct code, not something someone slapped up on a page (that no longer works). It also doesn’t particularly make sense that it is under the food and agricultural code, but then most of what California does makes little sense… ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/85 "2009-09-11T05:11:59Z")
> [@Runs\_With\_Scissors](#): > > I intensely dislike dogs in restaurants. I once posted about it, and an overwhelming majority of replies insisted the problem was with me, not dogs. > > Still, I do wonder how many people who don’t like dogs in restaurants have dogs at home. > > Me? No. They’re animals and they are filthy. They do not belong inside a clean home. Same with cats, rats, mice, and goldfish. Snakes, for some reason, get a free pass. But I don’t have those, either. [Coloring mine for emphasis on the relevant part of my reply.] Ridiculous. I have had dogs for 30 years and they’ve all been indoor dogs. Dogs that stay outside get far dirtier than indoor dogs. My dogs have all been well trained enough to behave calmly inside the house and have been housebroken so they have learned to go outside when they had to eliminate. Except for some fur on the carpet, which I vacuum frequently, you would never know I have a dog. And I do agree with you that dogs should never be taken into restaurants or into most public places. It’s not just you, and I am with you on that subject. People should leave their dogs at home, no matter the size. I only take my dog to places such as PetSmart (which welcomes properly restrained pets), to the dog park (which provides an enclosed area for owners to let their dogs off-leash), or to the vet. They are well-suited for the indoor life, provided they have the opportunity to exercise daily, either by being walked on a leash, or by access to a properly fenced yard. They can be taught manners and if well-trained, don’t get the house any dirtier than their owners do. You are free to exclude dogs from your own home, of course, but I’m sure there are plenty of Dopers who will agree with me that a well-kept dog is not filthy and can live in the house as a much-loved companion. ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/86 "2009-09-11T06:12:42Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > [Coloring mine for emphasis on the relevant part of my reply.] > > Ridiculous. I have had dogs for 30 years and they’ve all been indoor dogs. Dogs that stay outside get far dirtier than indoor dogs. My dogs have all been well trained enough to behave calmly inside the house and have been housebroken so they have learned to go outside when they had to eliminate. Except for some fur on the carpet, which I vacuum frequently, you would never know I have a dog. And I do agree with you that dogs should never be taken into restaurants or into most public places. It’s not just you, and I am with you on that subject. People should leave their dogs at home, no matter the size. I only take my dog to places such as PetSmart (which welcomes properly restrained pets), to the dog park (which provides an enclosed area for owners to let their dogs off-leash), or to the vet. They are well-suited for the indoor life, provided they have the opportunity to exercise daily, either by being walked on a leash, or by access to a properly fenced yard. They can be taught manners and if well-trained, don’t get the house any dirtier than their owners do. You are free to exclude dogs from your own home, of course, but I’m sure there are plenty of Dopers who will agree with me that a well-kept dog is not filthy and can live in the house as a much-loved companion. Agreed. I have a whippet, which has very short fur. He stays inside all day then gets out to go pottie and for an evening run. His fur is easily wiped down with a wet cloth. We take him to all kinds of dog friendly places, such as outdoor restaurants and dog friendly hotels. He is a clean and well mannered pooch. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/87 "2009-09-11T10:23:26Z")
**101 Things to Do with at Celebrity’s Lap Rat** 1. Dip it in chocolate and serve it as hors d’œuvr at a B list party. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/88 "2009-09-11T11:03:37Z")
And those people who bring their adorable dog to a frigging barbecue. It is not a gathering of dog lovers. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/89 "2009-09-11T12:44:00Z")
1. Serve BBQ laprat – gives a new meaning to service dog. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/90 "2009-09-11T17:00:09Z")
meh, deleted. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/91 "2009-09-11T17:46:17Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Because they’re more likely to be ill behaved and their owners to have a sense of entitlement about bringing them places they don’t belong. Not that she brought her everywhere (she never did, actually), but my grandmother’s Yorkie was one of the best behaved dogs I ever knew. I hardly ever remember her barking all that much. So it’s all in how you train them. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/92 "2009-09-11T17:58:59Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > K9 Cops really get pissed off if you talk babytalk at their partners, “Aren’t you the CUTEST little thing! I’d want to pick you up and hug you all over.” Oh they do, that’s a fact. I had a better relationship with the local K9 guys dog than he did, and he was none too amused when he couldn’t break the dog from playing tug with me. I’m a dog guy, what can I do, they love me. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/93 "2009-09-11T18:41:40Z")
1. Fling the celeb’s laprat into the crowd of paparazzi. ---
**Author:** ![StaudtCJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@StaudtCJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StaudtCJ)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/94 "2009-09-12T00:51:19Z")
1. Feed it to the wolverine ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/95 "2009-09-12T01:04:35Z")
I clicked on the OP because I was curious about what a ‘Laprat’ might be. I’d heard Labrat, and Lapdog. But Laprat was a new one. Ah bliss. A fellow human being who shares my loathing of those angry little shits. I honestly honestly feel a powerful urge to punt one of them every time its shreiking yap rapes my sense of contented relaxation. I recall someone saying that the most annoying sound a human being can hear is a screeching human baby. I beg to differ. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/96 "2009-09-12T01:16:21Z")
baby v. laprat – death match – which one wins? ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/97 "2009-09-12T01:25:47Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > baby v. laprat – death match – which one wins? Well I feel a certain amount of sympathy for babies. I used to be one. And they have an excuse - they’re babies of the species. Those horrible fucking turds that people insist on owning (In America I guess it’s Paris Hilton clones. In Britain it’s old people) are adult dogs who should kn… shouldn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/98 "2009-09-12T05:42:17Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > baby v. laprat – death match – which one wins? In all time worst noise possible? Screaming baby, hands down. I don’t appreciate getting hysterically barked at when I’m working in my own yard by the neighbors Chihuahuas, but a screaming child is FAR more irritating. And, around here, far more common since I have yet to see a purse dog in a store, etc but there are plenty of yelling, crying, screaming, running children. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/99 "2009-09-12T13:03:24Z")
1. Use it as a cat toy: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6QhIecMjZs&](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6QhIecMjZs&) ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673/100 "2009-09-12T13:07:33Z")
I think some dogs just know who the grumpy, whiny bitches are, and do it to annoy them! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leave-your-stupid-laprat-in-the-car/508673.md?page=6)