# Led Zeppelin's Kashmir **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 10, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884 "2017-03-10T17:21:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/21 "2017-03-10T18:19:13Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I, on the other hand, don’t know the Puff Daddy version. Well, since I saw Godzilla (1998) I must have heard it, but that is the least of the things I have (thankfully) forgotten about that movie.😉 The worst thing is that it’s basically like Puffy went to a karaoke bar, picked Kashmir, then made up his own lyrics instead of reading the TV screen. The music is almost identical to the original song. Down to the fact that Jimmy Page himself played for it. ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/22 "2017-03-10T18:19:52Z")
Well don’t feel bad. I remember when I thought Roll Over Beethoven originated with the Beatles. . . . Of course I was twelve years old . . . ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/23 "2017-03-10T18:20:59Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > When you know something about music, you realize Puff Daddy is a fucking talentless hack, as a musician at least. I actually know this about him already, no worries. I’m not a fan of Puff Daddy or P Ditty or whatever stupid fucking name he’s going by this week. I’m not a fan of rap or hip hop, in general, either. But this is one of the rare songs by him I actually like. The only one, pretty much. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/24 "2017-03-10T18:23:15Z")
I do know the Godzilla soundtrack version, although I can’t stand Diddy, or Puffy or whatever his name is this year. He actually performed this song live…WITH JIMMY PAGE! For the OP: Jimmy Page is the legendary guitarist from Led Zeppelin. [1999 Come With Me](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ZYG3AIcwk) Now…please tell me you know that “I’ll Be Missing You” by Diddy is really “Every Breath You Take” by The Police?? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/25 "2017-03-10T18:23:24Z")
Schooly D used it for a great song, “Signifying Rapper” back in the 80s. Fun stuff. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/26 "2017-03-10T18:27:53Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Look for a thread…“Where should a first time Led Zeppelin listener start?” soon. In the next few days, probably. Here’s your thread. Where should you start? The first six albums, in order. You’ll be done in less than four hours and you’ll know at the end whether you’re a Zep fan or not. Even speaking as a casual-at-best Led Zep fan, those albums are practically flawless. The writing (or plagiarism, depending on whom you ask) and musicianship are top-notch and the production was ahead of its time on many levels. Listening to them as a first-timer in 2017, you may be shocked at how influential and formative that stuff is on almost everything that has come after in rock and roll. You may also be surprised at how many of the songs you already know. Plus, each album is a unique stylistic treat: [ul] [li] **I:** The New Yardbirds! Bright, brash blues on steroids (and acid). _Track pick: “Communication Breakdown”_[/li][li] **II:** Sounds like the cover looks. The dark, muddy blueprint for heavy metal. _Track pick: “Whole Lotta Love”_[/li][li] **III:** Like a Frosted Mini-Wheat! Hard rock thunder on one side, Celtic/folky acoustic goodness on the other! _Track pick: “Gallows Pole”_[/li][li] **IV:** You will find that you already know seven of the eight tracks on this one. 'Nuff said. _Track pick: “When The Levee Breaks”_[/li][li] **Houses of the Holy:** Stylistic diversity! Funk! Reggae! Humor! Still brings the rock, though. _Track pick: “The Ocean”_[/li][li] **Physical Graffiti:** Even more diversity! Also reallllly long. The egos and drugs are starting to take their toll. The first Led Zeppelin album that I would argue has any “filler” on it. Also “Kashmir,” for when you really gots to pee. _Track pick: “Trampled Under Foot”_[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/27 "2017-03-10T18:28:42Z")
When _Wayne’s World_ came out, my sister (who is 10 years younger) told me about this \*awesome \*new song in it. Bohemian Rhapsody :smack: ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/28 "2017-03-10T18:30:17Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > That’s what I get for being born in the 80s. > > When I was growing up, it was all Michael Jackson. He was the rage. 😛 If you’re familiar with the Beastie Boys and the _License to Ill_ album, you may also recognize the drumbeat from “When the Levee Breaks” as the beat in “Rhymin’ and Stealin’.” Also, the guitar riff in “She’s Crafty” is from Zep’s “The Ocean.” ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/29 "2017-03-10T18:31:19Z")
> [@OneCentStamp](#): > > …there are about 40 better Led Zeppelin songs… I agree. I love Led Zeppelin, but never thought much of this one, yet it’s probably their second most iconic song. ---
**Author:** ![1iLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/1ileft/32/4114_2.png) [@1iLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/1iLeft)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/30 "2017-03-10T18:33:05Z")
If you could watch and hear [this version of Kashmir](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-MdiUm1_Y) on a “high end” system, I think you would appreciate it more. With the volume turned up to holy shit level. But then I’m old and grew up listening to Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and the like. YMMV Let me reiterate, I have never heard that version of Kashmir loud enough. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/31 "2017-03-10T18:38:47Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > I have never felt so old in my life ☹ If it helps, Bonzo died and the band broke up nearly 4 decades ago. 🙂 > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > That’s what I get for being born in the 80s. That has nothing to do with though. I was born in 1980…I have a Led Zeppelin tattoo. While I mostly leaned towards the alternative genre in high school in the 90’s, ultimately, I was always heading towards classic rock and college really solidified that for me. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/32 "2017-03-10T18:40:50Z")
> [@1iLeft](#): > > If you could watch and hear [this version of Kashmir](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-MdiUm1_Y) on a “high end” system, I think you would appreciate it more. With the volume turned up to holy shit level Or better yet (depending on your point of view), you can watch the whole Celebration Day concert [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM_y3pHZGHU). The jump-cut editing is really annoying, but the performance is outstanding. And Jason Bonham is a monster on drums–his dad would be proud. ---
**Author:** ![peedin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peedin/32/14095_2.png) [@peedin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peedin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/33 "2017-03-10T18:42:09Z")
I hated Kashmir until recently. I find it a very menacing song but now I enjoy it. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/34 "2017-03-10T18:59:24Z")
The weird thing for me isn’t not knowing Led Zeppelin’s _Kashmir_. There’s a lot of music out there and if rock isn’t your thing, you might not know it. But why would anyone think that P-Diddy wrote it? So much popular hip hop of that time consisted of taking a rock song, sampling it, maybe adding a few loops and beats, and rapping over it. If I heard a rapper rapping over an unfamiliar song, my first thought would be “I wonder what song he sampled?” not “What a great song that guy wrote!” ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/35 "2017-03-10T19:01:43Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > If it helps, Bonzo died and the band broke up nearly 4 decades ago. 🙂 It doesn’t, whippersnapper.( Don’t worry; you’re time is gonna come.) ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/36 "2017-03-10T19:06:38Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > I feel so old. I’ve never even heard of any of the “new versions” you mention, except for “Ice Ice Baby,” which to me has never been anything but a ripoff of “Under Pressure.” No it’s totally different, explained here: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a-1\_9-z9rbY](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a-1_9-z9rbY) To the OP, have you really never heard Black Dog? That almost defies credibility! ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/37 "2017-03-10T19:09:47Z")
I just read this thread backward. All I gotta say is, Damn, it’s hot down here. **WORSHIP THE DEVIL!!!** ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/38 "2017-03-10T19:13:57Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > The Wallflowers are not the original singers of “Heroes” (also, coincidentally, from the 1998 Godzilla soundtrack), Somehow, I completely missed this version. I just listened to it, expecting to hate it, but it’s actually not bad. The original is just so iconic, though, and I love the character of Bowie’s voice. The way he sings “I, I will be king and you, you will be queen” just has so much feeling behind it, while the Wallflowers kind of take a more clean & straightforward tone on it. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/39 "2017-03-10T19:26:06Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > Now…please tell me you know that “I’ll Be Missing You” by Diddy is really “Every Breath You Take” by The Police?? :smack: Now THAT I knew, no worries. 😉 > [@Joey\_P](#): > > If it helps, Bonzo died and the band broke up nearly 4 decades ago. 🙂 > > That has nothing to do with though. I was born in 1980…I have a Led Zeppelin tattoo. While I mostly leaned towards the alternative genre in high school in the 90’s, ultimately, I was always heading towards classic rock and college really solidified that for me. I like classic rock, but I just never really got into Led Zeppelin. It’s extremely possible that I have heard songs by them before but just don’t know it’s them or know that “Oooohhh, THAT’S who it is/that’s the name of that song!” I had this happen often with Fleetwood Mac, back in the day. “Sarah”? Nope. I don’t know that name or song, as far as I know. But then it gets put on or played and I’m like “Ohhh, it’s that song…okay, yeah, I know it. I’ve heard it before”. Same happened with “Rhiannon” and “Rumors”. Another band I always see mentioned on here, by the way…but as far as I know, I know NO songs by…is Rush. Just…never heard a song by them before. Ditto Steely Dan or Jethro Tull. Now The Who… or The Eagles…or the Steve Miller Band. I know pretty much everything. It’s weird. Some classic rock I know a lot of and other areas, pretty much nothing. Now about 80s and especially 90s music, it’s a different story. I know pretty much EVERY single song that came out in the 90s. 😛 > [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > But why would anyone think that P-Diddy wrote it? I never thought he wrote it. I just thought it was “Come With Me” that was playing. I had no idea that it was taken off of “Kashmir” or that the two sounded identical. > [@White SIFL](#): > > To the OP, have you really never heard Black Dog? That almost defies credibility! Not as far as I know. I don’t know the song by name, at least, although it’s possible I’e heard it and don’t know that that’s its name. Just listened to it now…okay. Yes, I know this song. I have heard it before. It’s as I said: A. I did not know this song was called “Black Dog” B. I did not know this song was sung by Led Zeppelin C. I just…never knew who sung this song whenever I’ve heard it. Now I do. It makes me wonder how many other songs by bands I actually do “know” (as in, “have heard”), but just don’t know it’s by that band or has that name. > [@pulykamell](#): > > Somehow, I completely missed this version. I just listened to it, expecting to hate it, but it’s actually not bad. The original is just so iconic, though, and I love the character of Bowie’s voice. The way he sings “I, I will be king and you, you will be queen” just has so much feeling behind it, while the Wallflowers kind of take a more clean & straightforward tone on it. I know, huh? I love this cover. Also, not sure if you knew this, but the leader singer of The Wallflowers is Bob Dylan’s son. ---
**Author:** ![1iLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/1ileft/32/4114_2.png) [@1iLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/1iLeft)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/40 "2017-03-10T19:55:49Z")
> [@blondebear](#): > > Or better yet (depending on your point of view), you can watch the whole Celebration Day concert [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM_y3pHZGHU). The jump-cut editing is really annoying, but the performance is outstanding. And Jason Bonham is a monster on drums–his dad would be proud. Yes, I enjoyed that whole concert. I just think that performance of Kashmir stood out. I appreciate the song more cause of it. And Jason Bonham nailed it, they all did, I think. As with most music, to state the obvious, quality of source and system can impact your impression. I just love the driving low frequencies on a high end system in parts of that song. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884.md?page=3)