# Led Zeppelin's Kashmir **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 10, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884 "2017-03-10T17:21:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/41 "2017-03-10T20:00:44Z")
Hmmm. Learning more things today. I always thought Robert Plant was the guy who sang “Addicted To Love”. I see now that that was Robert Palmer. I should probably just stop posting in this thread before I really piss someone off. ⭕o :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/42 "2017-03-10T20:02:56Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I like classic rock, but I just never really got into Led Zeppelin. It’s extremely possible that I have heard songs by them before but just don’t know it’s them or know that “Oooohhh, THAT’S who it is/that’s the name of that song!” I have that problem with Zep a lot. They either don’t sing the name or I’m not paying attention when they do. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/43 "2017-03-10T20:07:07Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I know, huh? I love this cover. Also, not sure if you knew this, but the leader singer of The Wallflowers is Bob Dylan’s son. Yeah, that I knew. I remember “One Headlight” and “6th Avenue Heartbreak” well from the mid-90s. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/44 "2017-03-10T20:15:21Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > The weird thing for me isn’t not knowing Led Zeppelin’s _Kashmir_. There’s a lot of music out there and if rock isn’t your thing, you might not know it. But why would anyone think that P-Diddy wrote it? So much popular hip hop of that time consisted of taking a rock song, sampling it, maybe adding a few loops and beats, and rapping over it. If I heard a rapper rapping over an unfamiliar song, my first thought would be “I wonder what song he sampled?” not “What a great song that guy wrote!” [Mo Money Mo Problems sampling Diana Ross](http://www.whosampled.com/sample/18/The-Notorious-B.I.G.-Puff-Daddy-Mase-Kelly-Price-Mo-Money-Mo-Problems-Diana-Ross-I'm-Coming-Out/) as another example. (That website “[whosampled.com](http://whosampled.com)” in my link is pretty great, for those who haven’t seen it) ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/45 "2017-03-10T20:36:06Z")
I thought Puff Daddy was some kind of ready-made pastry … #dadjoke ---
**Author:** ![TheChileanBlob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thechileanblob/32/435_2.png) [@TheChileanBlob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheChileanBlob)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/46 "2017-03-10T20:40:14Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I like classic rock, but I just never really got into Led Zeppelin. It’s extremely possible that I have heard songs by them before but just don’t know it’s them or know that “Oooohhh, THAT’S who it is/that’s the name of that song!” > > I had this happen often with Fleetwood Mac, back in the day. “Sarah”? Nope. I don’t know that name or song, as far as I know. But then it gets put on or played and I’m like “Ohhh, it’s that song…okay, yeah, I know it. I’ve heard it before”. Same happened with “Rhiannon” and “Rumors”. > > Another band I always see mentioned on here, by the way…but as far as I know, I know NO songs by…is Rush. Just…never heard a song by them before. Ditto Steely Dan or Jethro Tull. > > Now The Who… or The Eagles…or the Steve Miller Band. I know pretty much everything. It’s weird. Some classic rock I know a lot of and other areas, pretty much nothing. If you listen to a classic rock station with any regularity, you’ve probably heard most Zep songs. Also plenty of Rush, Tull, and even Steely Dan if it’s that kind of station. ---
**Author:** ![Scoobysnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Scoobysnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoobysnax)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/47 "2017-03-10T20:46:10Z")
I probably haven’t hear “Come With Me” since the late 90s. Is it still played regularly on the radio? I remember being pissed off at the song when I first heard it and even more so when I found out that Page had participated with Puff Daddy. The Stone Temple Pilots’ cover of Dancing Days is one of the only decent covers (IMHO) of a Zepplin song. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/48 "2017-03-10T21:01:08Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Look for a thread…“Where should a first time Led Zeppelin listener start?” soon. In the next few days, probably. Kasmir would be a good place to finish. I’ve always enjoyed progressive rock, for its interesting composition and orchestration that one into a musical exploration. Although Led Zepplin was far more than a prog rock band, it’s _Kashmir_ remains as an icon of prog rock. Ironically, my preferred rendition of it isn’t from back in '75 when multi-instrumentalist John Paul Jones (who later was key to the prog group King Crimson) was part of Led Zeppelin before drummer Bonzo binge-drank himself to death, dissolving Led Zeppelin (and leaving me wondering what Bonham would have done with the '94 rhythms). The rendition of _Kashmir_ that is both the most progressive and the most mature is Page and Plant’s '94 _No Quarter: Unledded_ version as released on DVD in '04, which included in the band much of the London Metropolitan Orchestra and a dozen Egyptian/Moroccan musicians, resulting in rich sounds, varied rhythms, and interplay among not just the musicians but also the musical forms, that one seldom comes across in straight rock. I expect that if you searched for KASHMIR EGYPTIAN 2004 PAGE PLANT you would find the vid (but make sure it is Page and Plant and not a tribute band). Put the head cans on, route the vid to your big screen, turn off the lights, and let it carry you in a musico-cultural melange. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/49 "2017-03-10T21:02:10Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Hmmm. Learning more things today. I always thought Robert Plant was the guy who sang “Addicted To Love”. I see now that that was Robert Palmer. > > I should probably just stop posting in this thread before I really piss someone off. ⭕o :smack: For awhile I thought that Robert Palmer was in Emerson Lake & Palmer. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/50 "2017-03-10T21:15:34Z")
> [@OneCentStamp](#): > > Here’s your thread. Where should you start? The first six albums, in order. You’ll be done in less than four hours and you’ll know at the end whether you’re a Zep fan or not. > > Even speaking as a casual-at-best Led Zep fan, those albums are practically flawless. The writing (or plagiarism, depending on whom you ask) and musicianship are top-notch and the production was ahead of its time on many levels. Listening to them as a first-timer in 2017, you may be shocked at how influential and formative that stuff is on almost everything that has come after in rock and roll. You may also be surprised at how many of the songs you already know. Plus, each album is a unique stylistic treat: > > [ul] > [li] **I:** The New Yardbirds! Bright, brash blues on steroids (and acid). _Track pick: “Communication Breakdown”_[/li][li] **II:** Sounds like the cover looks. The dark, muddy blueprint for heavy metal. _Track pick: “Whole Lotta Love”_[/li][li] **III:** Like a Frosted Mini-Wheat! Hard rock thunder on one side, Celtic/folky acoustic goodness on the other! _Track pick: “Gallows Pole”_[/li][li] **IV:** You will find that you already know seven of the eight tracks on this one. 'Nuff said. _Track pick: “When The Levee Breaks”_[/li][li] **Houses of the Holy:** Stylistic diversity! Funk! Reggae! Humor! Still brings the rock, though. _Track pick: “The Ocean”_[/li][li] **Physical Graffiti:** Even more diversity! Also reallllly long. The egos and drugs are starting to take their toll. The first Led Zeppelin album that I would argue has any “filler” on it. Also “Kashmir,” for when you really gots to pee. _Track pick: “Trampled Under Foot”_[/li][/ul] Well that’s a start. 🙂 What do you have against Presence? it’s much less tedious than Physical Graffiti. (damning with faint praise, i know…) And of course, In Through the Out Door. My favorite album, though they are all good. You can skip Coda. I wish the band had. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/51 "2017-03-10T21:16:01Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Hmmm. Learning more things today. I always thought Robert Plant was the guy who sang “Addicted To Love”. I see now that that was Robert Palmer. > > I should probably just stop posting in this thread before I really piss someone off. ⭕o :smack: Hey, at least you’re genuinely curious and open to learning. I’ll take it. Kashmir is pretty much Zep’s best song, IMHO. The cool guitar tuning, the slow drums that do not plod, which is a truly wonderful thing. If that opens you up to more Zep, cool. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/52 "2017-03-10T21:17:09Z")
As for a place to start, how about early 1969: I’ve posted this astonishing vid once before - this is a young group seven months after it formed: [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HiLYEXL5cDg/hqdefault.jpg "led zeppelin - babe i´m gonna leave you (denmark, dinamarca 1969)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiLYEXL5cDg) ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/53 "2017-03-10T21:23:43Z")
> [@OneCentStamp](#): > > Here’s your thread. Where should you start? The first six albums, in order. You’ll be done in less than four hours and you’ll know at the end whether you’re a Zep fan or not… Well done. ---
**Author:** ![1iLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/1ileft/32/4114_2.png) [@1iLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/1iLeft)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/54 "2017-03-10T21:32:01Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > I expect that if you searched for KASHMIR EGYPTIAN 2004 PAGE PLANT you would find the vid (but make sure it is Page and Plant and not a tribute band). Put the head cans on, route the vid to your big screen, turn off the lights, and let it carry you in a musico-cultural melange. Thank you, I’ve led a sheltered life. [Kashmir - Jimmy Page & Robert Plant feat. Egyptian Orchestra](https://vimeo.com/80222634) ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/55 "2017-03-10T21:51:37Z")
> [@TheChileanBlob](#): > > If you listen to a classic rock station with any regularity, you’ve probably heard most Zep songs. Also plenty of Rush, Tull, and even Steely Dan if it’s that kind of station. In my area they play Led Zeppelin every evening (at least every Tuesday evening) from about 6:40-6:45 on. They call it “Stairway to Seven”. Lots of Zep throughout the day, anyway. My 14 year old son is a fan. He also likes Rush. I haven’t yet turned him on to Tull. They don’t play much Tull on the radio around here, except rare playings of ‘Locomotive Breath’. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/56 "2017-03-10T22:00:50Z")
Huh. I have never thought of Zep as prog. Is this a common classification of them? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/57 "2017-03-10T22:09:25Z")
> [@TheChileanBlob](#): > > If you listen to a classic rock station with any regularity, you’ve probably heard most Zep songs. Also plenty of Rush, Tull, and even Steely Dan if it’s that kind of station. I don’t know. I think it’s more likely that one will hear the same four Zeppelin, Rush, Tull, or Steely Dan songs over and over. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/58 "2017-03-10T22:26:48Z")
Kashmir bores me to death. To me it was a shark jump. I had expected more. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/59 "2017-03-10T22:30:18Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > For awhile I thought that Robert Palmer was in Emerson Lake & Palmer. He was, along with Ralph Waldo Emerson and Veronica Lake. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/60 "2017-03-10T22:49:15Z")
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