# Led Zeppelin's Kashmir **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 10, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884 "2017-03-10T17:21:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/61 "2017-03-10T22:59:28Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Kashmir bores me to death. To me it was a shark jump. I had expected more. Of course you did. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/62 "2017-03-10T23:06:20Z")
The first few times (well, more like first few dozen) I heard Kashmir, I must confess, it did bore more. But I’ve come to appreciate it over time, and it’s now up there with my favorite Zeppelin songs. I believe the band considered it their crowning achievement, or at least it was high up there. The drums really pull it all together for me. But I do like that driving, droning, almost meditative kind of rock. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/63 "2017-03-10T23:17:45Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > That’s what I get for being born in the 80s. Sorry, that’s no excuse. My son was born in 1998, and he can sing along with a couple dozen Zeppelin tunes. Of course, his mother started him listening in utero\*…so maybe we should be blaming your parents 🙂 \*in retrospect, maybe we should have started with Nirvana? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/64 "2017-03-10T23:19:48Z")
I love Kashmir, but I love most all of Zep. Probably the group that delivers the most for me. Zep is known for being one of the cornerstones of heavy metal\*, known for rock ballads, had a great reggae song, a nice mix of prog rock and of course one of the greatest blues rock bands. - - I think Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath are generally considered the 3 major bands for the foundation of Heavy Metal. \* ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/65 "2017-03-10T23:21:02Z")
> [@1iLeft](#): > > Thank you, I’ve led a sheltered life. > [Kashmir - Jimmy Page & Robert Plant feat. Egyptian Orchestra](https://vimeo.com/80222634) That was an awesome link, thank you for this epic version. \*\*ETA: \*\* Oh my son is only 16, loves Zep, my nephew is 30 and he loves Zep. I think it is pretty much as timeless a group as the Beatles though I’ve noticed older generations learned to love the Beatles, Zeppelin not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/66 "2017-03-10T23:23:21Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > It makes me wonder how many other songs by bands I actually do “know” (as in, “have heard”), but just don’t know it’s by that band or has that name. I can relate to this. A while back I watched a documentary about Foo Fighters. I went into it thinking, “I’m not really too much of a fan, but Dave Grohl is an interesting guy, so it will probably be worth watching.” About the 12th time I said to myself “oh, this is one of \*their \*songs?!?” I decided I might be a slightly bigger fan than I realized… ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/67 "2017-03-10T23:32:04Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > I feel so old. I’ve never even heard of any of the “new versions” you mention, except for “Ice Ice Baby,” which to me has never been anything but a ripoff of “Under Pressure.” The songs he referenced are all 20 years old too. 😛 Idle is only a year or two older than me and I was around for the late 90s rediscovery of Zep. Of course at the time I was a proto hipster and had already been into them for years. :rolleyes: I am not sure how Idle missed that though. Zep was all over the place from around 98 to 04. ---
**Author:** ![DrForrester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8edcca/32.png) [@DrForrester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrForrester)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/68 "2017-03-11T01:38:39Z")
I may be old, but I got to see all of the great bands. But, Zeppelin… They were a whole category of their own… and Kashmir was always my favorite tune of theirs. That said, there really are only 2 pop songs. Here’s one of them: [Melange](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eueX33AMHLc) ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/69 "2017-03-11T01:51:38Z")
Fool in the Rain has always been a fave of mine for a Pop-ish Zep tune ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/70 "2017-03-11T02:05:48Z")
When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/71 "2017-03-11T02:09:33Z")
> [@OneCentStamp](#): > > “Kashmir” is the best Led Zeppelin song if you’re a radio DJ who needs to pee and the bathroom is really far. Back when I was a DJ, I used Parliament songs for that. “Flashlight” (extended 12" version) was good, as I recall. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I can relate to this. A while back I watched a documentary about Foo Fighters. I went into it thinking, “I’m not really too much of a fan, but Dave Grohl is an interesting guy, so it will probably be worth watching.” > > About the 12th time I said to myself “oh, this is one of \*their \*songs?!?” I decided I might be a slightly bigger fan than I realized… The Foos were everywhere for a while, and they’re still going strong, so I don’t doubt you heard more of their music than you realized. It might be foolish to say this, but I’m pretty sure they’re going to have staying power, and become one of the go-to bands for understanding the music of the era. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/72 "2017-03-11T02:23:07Z")
P-Funk: One Nation Under a Groove was long enough to take a dump during. Could even go down the hall after washing and get a soda and a snickers. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/73 "2017-03-11T02:38:08Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV. Oddly enough…right after this scene, they cut to Ratt and Stacy in the van, driving to their date, and Zeppelin is cranking on the stereo. The song is Kashmir…which is NOT on Led Zeppelin IV. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/74 "2017-03-11T02:50:15Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > Oddly enough…right after this scene, they cut to Ratt and Stacy in the van, driving to their date, and Zeppelin is cranking on the stereo. The song is Kashmir…which is NOT on Led Zeppelin IV. Right, that’s why I posted it here. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/75 "2017-03-11T03:09:07Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Kashmir is pretty much Zep’s best song, IMHO. Agreed. > [@pulykamel](#): > > The first few times (well, more like first few dozen) I heard Kashmir, I must confess, it did bore more. But I’ve come to appreciate it over time, and it’s now up there with my favorite Zeppelin songs. I believe the band considered it their crowning achievement, or at least it was high up there. A person hears lots of things about musicians that may be true or may be apocryphal, so I don’t for a fact that the following is true, but I read once that when a fan commented to Robert Plant that _Stairway_ must be the quintessential _Led Zeppelin_ song Plant replied, “No, actually it’s Kashmir.” ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/76 "2017-03-11T03:22:35Z")
Stairway to Heaven? That song taught me a life lesson: never wear a fisherman’s-knit sweater if your date has braces. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/77 "2017-03-11T03:39:52Z")
A couple of observations… ~There are some incredible links in this thread. Thank you all. ~It’s such a strange song I decided to try to learn it on the guitar. It’s surprisingly easy to learn (though admittedly not easy to play well). ~And finally, yes that is one of their best. There used to be a live, country-ish banjo version by Trick Pony on YouTube but sadly it’s no longer there. To die for. ---
**Author:** ![Weisshund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba8739/32.png) [@Weisshund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weisshund)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/78 "2017-03-11T03:42:06Z")
Not to nit pick, but sampling a riff of someone else’s music and looping it and calling the song something else does not make it a modernized version of what ever was sampled. ---
**Author:** ![Quintas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/48db29/32.png) [@Quintas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quintas)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/79 "2017-03-11T03:54:12Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Other ones I eventually learned over the course of my life (some earlier and faster than others): The tune of “Ice, Ice, Baby” is really “Under Pressure”, The Wallflowers are not the original singers of “Heroes” (also, coincidentally, from the 1998 Godzilla soundtrack), rather David Bowie is, Bruce Hornsby sang “That’s Just the Way It Is”, not Tupac…and “Mo Money, Mo Problems” by The Notorious BIG is really Diana Ross’ “I’m Coming Out”. Born in the 80s or not (I was born in the mid 70s and 1960’s music was a big part of my teen years as well as the 80s music that was current), i’m having a hard time fathoming how you could not know that the songs listed above were samples, and also not be familiar with the original. All of those are 70’s songs, and not obscure ones. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/80 "2017-03-11T04:00:37Z")
> [@White SIFL](#): > > ~It’s such a strange song I decided to try to learn it on the guitar. It’s surprisingly easy to learn (though admittedly not easy to play well). The entire song is deceptively simple. That groove is just so relentlessly rock solid and thunderous, it takes quite some skill I think to pull it off convincingly and make it _swing_. (By “swing” there I don’t mean jazz swing but rather that living, breathing kind of rhythmic pulse that doesn’t feel static and boring, even though the beat itself is a straightforward, plodding drum beat. Bonham just makes the whole thing sound hypnotically delicious. And the way that aggressive, stabbing guitar pattern layers over the 4/4 drum beat inching an eight note ahead of the strong beats on each iteration of the pattern gives the song a propelling energy, despite the mid-tempo backbeat.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884.md?page=5)