# Led Zeppelin's Kashmir **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 10, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884 "2017-03-10T17:21:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/81 "2017-03-11T04:49:30Z")
> [@Quintas](#): > > Born in the 80s or not (I was born in the mid 70s and 1960’s music was a big part of my teen years as well as the 80s music that was current), i’m having a hard time fathoming how you could not know that the songs listed above were samples, and also not be familiar with the original. All of those are 70’s songs, and not obscure ones. I was around 11-17 when all of those songs came out. I wasn’t really into listening to classic rock yet, I mostly listened to current music, which was music of the 90s then. So I learned the “newer” versions or heard the samplings before I learned about the originals. So what? Doesn’t seem so odd to me. Seems about normal, actually. And most of those “learning that the newer versions are covers or samplings” came way before today… like, some as old as a decade ago or more… …it’s just this one, the “Come With Me” background tune being “Kashmir”, it was learned today, the most recent one…and that’s just because I had never HEARD Kashmir before. So I’m having a hard time fathoming why you’re having a hard time fathoming anything. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/82 "2017-03-11T05:03:43Z")
> [@Scoobysnax](#): > > \ > The Stone Temple Pilots’ cover of Dancing Days is one of the only decent covers (IMHO) of a Zepplin song. I know of _one_ cover of a Zeppelin song that is more than decent. [Anne and Nancy Wilson](https://youtu.be/2u-PjvRyr0I) performing at the Kennedy Center Honors. “Stairway to Heaven”. Damned near perfect. You’ll see lots of familiar faces, of course - both on stage and in the audience. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/83 "2017-03-11T05:19:41Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > If it helps, Bonzo died and the band broke up nearly 4 decades ago. 🙂 Apropos of nothing, it was years before I realized I’d been at their very last concert in the USA (Oakland, CA) before Bonzo died and the band broke up. They were my favorite band, saw them 3 times in concert live, including that last one. I’ve seen Plant a couple of times since, he seems to still be having lots of fun, and always admired him for preventing the band from trying to recapture its glory days. To the OP: I hope when you’ve completed your education on Led Zep thanks to this thread, you remember to say Thank You. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/84 "2017-03-11T05:52:57Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > I know of _one_ cover of a Zeppelin song that is more than decent. [Anne and Nancy Wilson](https://youtu.be/2u-PjvRyr0I) performing at the Kennedy Center Honors. “Stairway to Heaven”. Damned near perfect. > You’ll see lots of familiar faces, of course - both on stage and in the audience. As truly remarkable a vocalist as Plant is, I prefer Wilson’s rendition. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/85 "2017-03-11T07:31:49Z")
Urgh. That’s got as much to do with rock and roll as Tiny Tim. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/86 "2017-03-11T10:39:43Z")
[Ann Wilson](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/oct/22/stairway-to-heaven-unreleased-mix-led-zeppelin-iv-remastered) > [@](#): > > So I’d hear them mostly when I was on a date, or when I was with a boy at a party. But when Zep IV came out, it just really spoke to me, and they opened themselves up to everybody. Prior to Zeppelin IV, I was just barely getting into rock bands. I was still the only woman in the band, and the one chosen to sing the ballads and stand around and bang a tambourine. I didn’t really take on my rock core until around ’71, when we started to do songs off that album, and no one in the band could sing high enough except me. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/87 "2017-03-11T10:40:35Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > I have never felt so old in my life ☹ Today I learned another GREAT rock song was ripped off and bastardized by. . .um, yeah. . .I’m old. Seriously though, Idle Thoughts. Seriously? Really. Really? ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/88 "2017-03-11T10:46:00Z")
> [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](#): > > Today I learned another GREAT rock song was ripped off and bastardized by. . .um, yeah. . .I’m old. > > Seriously though, Idle Thoughts. Seriously? Really. Really? Yeah. I’m beginning to wonder if another iconic opening riff, “DING DING DING Da-da DING DING”, might have been used by someone before. I mean, it’s weird. You grow up your whole life thinking an artist was original, and you come to find out they copied their most iconic track. I’m calling you _out_, Jedward. I no longer believe your “Under Pressure (Ice Ice Baby)” was completely original to you Scottish yarbles, if you have yarbles. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/89 "2017-03-11T10:51:52Z")
BTW, that was Bonzo’s son playing at the Kennedy Center. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/90 "2017-03-11T11:55:39Z")
> [@White SIFL](#): > > ~It’s such a strange song I decided to try to learn it on the guitar. It’s surprisingly easy to learn (though admittedly not easy to play well). That’s the magic of a non-standard tuning, in this case DADGAD, usually referred to as “Dadgad,” strangely enough ;). You can use simple chord shapes to get exotic sounds. Dadgad is a fingerstyle, open, airy tuning. Players like to hit a chord string by string up the neck that also contains one or two open strings and let the whole thing resonate. All deep and shit for a Sunday morning. One fella, Pierre Bensusan, plays exclusively in dadgad. [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CkEisE-QNS8](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CkEisE-QNS8) I hate retuning my guitar to dadgad; simple laziness (Open G I can get to in my sleep and play what I need, thankyouverymuch). So I retune my guitar once every couple of years for shits and grins and relearn it - so yeah, it’s not too tough. Jimmy legendarily plays an old Danelectro, a famously-cheap-but surprisingly-playable guitar that was also sold through Sears. Masonite and plywood, baby ;). And the pickups are called Lipsticks because the founder literally got a great deal on a shipment of lipstick cases and used them to enclose his pickups. Jimmy’s main slide guitar. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/91 "2017-03-11T12:10:19Z")
I would classify a handful of Zep songs as prog rock: “In the Light,” “Achilles Last Stand,” and “Carouselambra.” They’re structured like prog rock songs, and wouldn’t sound out of place alongside, say, Rush’s “Xanadu” or Tull’s “No Lullaby.” (All songs mentioned are from that 1975-1979 period, BTW.) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/92 "2017-03-11T12:23:20Z")
There’s a good early “Kashmir” sighting in _Fast Times at Ridgemont High_ (1982). When Damone is giving dating tips to Rat, he tells him, “When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV.” Cut immediately to Rat driving down the street with Stacy, “Kashmir” blasting. Now, “Kashmir” is not on side one of Led Zeppelin IV, nor on side two for that matter, but let’s not quibble. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/93 "2017-03-11T12:28:34Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > There’s a good early “Kashmir” sighting in _Fast Times at Ridgemont High_ (1982). When Damone is giving dating tips to Rat, he tells him, “When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV.” Cut immediately to Rat driving down the street with Stacy, “Kashmir” blasting. > > Now, “Kashmir” is not on side one of Led Zeppelin IV, nor on side two for that matter, but let’s not quibble. See posts 70, 73, and 74. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/94 "2017-03-11T13:00:24Z")
It just occurred to me that there’s a parallel scene in the 90s film _Jerry Maguire_, right down to the recommended make-out music (Charles Mingus, in this case) not being the one actually played.\* Maybe this was the filmmaker’s deliberate nod to _Fast Times_. (\*In this case, the discrepancy was dealt with in the film, when the jazz buff neighbor mentions that he also “threw some on the mixtape, too” – X being the music that was actually played. I can’t recall what X was – Ornette Coleman, maybe?) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/95 "2017-03-11T13:13:55Z")
That’s what I get for only searching for “Fast Times.” ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/96 "2017-03-11T13:27:52Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Yeah. > > I’m beginning to wonder if another iconic opening riff, “DING DING DING Da-da DING DING”, might have been used by someone before. > > I mean, it’s weird. You grow up your whole life thinking an artist was original, and you come to find out they copied their most iconic track. > > I’m calling you _out_, Jedward. I no longer believe your “Under Pressure (Ice Ice Baby)” was completely original to you Scottish yarbles, if you have yarbles. I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, so you’re not helping me feel any younger here. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/97 "2017-03-11T13:33:28Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > It just occurred to me that there’s a parallel scene in the 90s film _Jerry Maguire_, right down to the recommended make-out music (Charles Mingus, in this case) not being the one actually played.\* Maybe this was the filmmaker’s deliberate nod to _Fast Times_. > > (\*In this case, the discrepancy was dealt with in the film, when the jazz buff neighbor mentions that he also “threw some on the mixtape, too” – X being the music that was actually played. I can’t recall what X was – Ornette Coleman, maybe?) Two different scenes: in one, Jerry is supposed to play Coltrane to woo Dorothy Boyd, but the scene uses a Springsteen song. In the other, Jerry’s pleased with a meeting and wants to tune up the right song. He tries the Stones’ Bitch, but it doesn’t work. He finds Freefallin’ and is all set ;). Off the top of my head so may miss something. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/98 "2017-03-11T13:51:01Z")
> [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](#): > > I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, so you’re not helping me feel any younger here. Well, given how old you’re making _me_ feel, I suppose the feeling is mutual. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/99 "2017-03-11T13:53:08Z")
Okay, thanks! I definitely remember the dude reverently describing a cassette as “Mingus…[some iconic jazz club]…[some circa-1960 date],” and the music the amorous couple later laughs to (“What IS this?”) is some other free jazz – maybe the Coltrane you mentioned. It occurs to me we may have seen different versions of the film – sometimes they can’t secure the same rights when transferring from cinema to DVD, say. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884/100 "2017-03-11T14:23:33Z")
> [@jaycat](#): > > Well don’t feel bad. I remember when I thought Roll Over Beethoven originated with the Beatles. . . . Of course I was twelve years old . . . A couple months ago I was at the home of a friend in his mid-fifties when the [Flying Lizard’s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-P2qL3qkzk) cover of _Money (That’s What I Want)_ came up on the mixtape (er, MP3). I was flabbergasted to find out he was totally unaware [The Beatles](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mX7Y0h4wfc) had done it earlier. Then I was taken down a peg to find out that the Fab Four’s version was itself a cover, the original having been done by one [Barrett Strong](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5KU34DrrPI). And (to close the circle), here’s [Led Zep](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17auRAksrmI). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeppelins-kashmir/781884.md?page=6)