# Led Zep's "Nobody's Fault but Mine". Another rip off?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeps-nobodys-fault-but-mine-another-rip-off/664055
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [July 20, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeps-nobodys-fault-but-mine-another-rip-off/664055 "2013-07-20T19:43:47Z")
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### Author:  [@Mangosteen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangosteen)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeps-nobodys-fault-but-mine-another-rip-off/664055/1 "2013-07-20T19:43:47Z")
I’m a HUGE Led Zeppelin fan, but like a lot of people I am not thrilled by their not crediting some of their earlier songs with the names of the true writers.
I’m wondering if they did the same thing again on one of their later albums “Presence” with the song, _Nobody’s Fault but Mine_.
Is Led Zeppelin’s version of Willie Johnson’s _Its Nobody’s Fault but Mine_ completely different or should they have given at least some credit to Johnson in "your humble opinio"n?
I can’t seem to find a recording of Johnson’s song although Plant did change the lyrics quite a bit.
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### Author:  [@dada2fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dada2fish)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeps-nobodys-fault-but-mine-another-rip-off/664055/2 "2013-07-20T19:53:55Z")
I found many hits on YouTube for Blind Willie Johnson’s It’s Nobodies Fault But Mine. The melody is definitely the same. Shame.
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### Author:  [@Mixolydian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mixolydian)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2013, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeps-nobodys-fault-but-mine-another-rip-off/664055/3 "2013-07-20T22:42:06Z")
This one’s an obvious theft.
The trickier question…is “Stairway to Heaven” lifted from Spirit’s “Taurus”?
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### Author:  [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2013, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeps-nobodys-fault-but-mine-another-rip-off/664055/4 "2013-07-20T22:45:34Z")
As one commenter on YouTube notes, you can’t steal the blues.
Also, Plant gives credit at the beginning of this clip: [- YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia5j8qv4F0s)
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### Author:  [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2013, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeps-nobodys-fault-but-mine-another-rip-off/664055/5 "2013-07-20T23:01:11Z")
I was a big LZ fan when I was young. But learning how much (and how shamelessly) they ripped off dead (or sometimes enfeebled) blues musicians ranks alongside founding out there’s no Easter Bunny.
The first copy I ever had of “LZ4/Zoso” does credit Memphis Minnie for “When the Levee Breaks” - she was living in a nursing home, but still probably could’ve kicked their asses.
And to be fair, I think their rendition of WTLB is a great track, and meets the threshold of ‘new composition’, rather than just stealing the riff from Willie Dixon’s “You Need Love” (“Whole Lotta Love”) or Howlin’ Wolf’s “Killing Floor” (“The Lemon Song”).
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### Author:  [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeps-nobodys-fault-but-mine-another-rip-off/664055/6 "2013-07-22T16:54:33Z")
[Here’s one cover of the song](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl62kgpgSpY), where a minor flamewar breaks out in the YouTube comments over whether it’s a Led Zeppelin cover or a Blind Willie Johnson cover. FWIW, for comparison purposes [here’s the same singer/guitarist doing the original, Blind Willie Johnson-style version of the song](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtUixENjTvQ).
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### Author:  [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeps-nobodys-fault-but-mine-another-rip-off/664055/7 "2013-07-22T20:51:04Z")
Ehh, good artists borrow, great artists steal. As noted above by the different covers by the same guy, Led Zeppelin changed the arrangement, at least. Blind Willie Johnson is my favorite early (pre-1950) blues guitarist. Corpus Christi and Texas (my home state) both did him wrong. Led Zeppelin doing the same is just par for the course. They could have at least credited him, but they usually credited no-one. It wasn’t personally against him, credit was scarce back then. On the other hand, lots of people know who to credit the original to, and who would they pay?
He still can make me cry. [Here’s](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZLyGk875EY) his version of _Nobody’s Fault But Mine_. _[Dark Was the Night, Cold Was the Ground](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH4metotdRk)_ is his masterpiece, though.
Similarly, Eric Clapton’s version of _Motherless Children_ owes much to [Blind Willie Johnson’s](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9MLrjSR4f8) version. It’d be nice to give credit where credit is due, but who would he pay? Plus, they all put enough work into arranging their versions to call them their own, IMHO. Blind Willie Johnson was a transcendent guitarist and songwriter (hell, there’s _humor_ in his version of motherless children, and it makes me both laugh and cry), but he was writing for and working with two people, at most.
Damn you people, I wasn’t ready to cry that much today. I’m going to bed.
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### Author:  [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeps-nobodys-fault-but-mine-another-rip-off/664055/8 "2013-07-22T22:20:32Z")
I absolutely don’t care that artists steal. In fact, I wish they would do it more. A good riff might be more fun with a different arrangement and different lyrics. If so, I hope the artist would go for it. It would give me another good song. Unfortunately, outside of Oasis and Led Zeppelin, they rarely do. Give me Cigarettes and Alcohol.
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### Author:  [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2013, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeps-nobodys-fault-but-mine-another-rip-off/664055/9 "2013-07-22T22:41:10Z")
> [@mr.jp](#):
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> I absolutely don’t care that artists steal. In fact, I wish they would do it more. A good riff might be more fun with a different arrangement and different lyrics. If so, I hope the artist would go for it. It would give me another good song. Unfortunately, outside of Oasis and Led Zeppelin, they rarely do. Give me Cigarettes and Alcohol.
It’s a question of the writer getting their credit and royalties. I love a good cover especially if it’s a new take, but I want the original creator to get their money.
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### Author:  [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeps-nobodys-fault-but-mine-another-rip-off/664055/10 "2013-07-22T22:58:13Z")
> [@scabpicker](#):
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> They could have at least credited him, but they usually credited no-one. It wasn’t personally against him, credit was scarce back then.
Covering a song isn’t stealing. Taking credit for someone else’s work, on the other hand, is an awful lot like stealing. And I forget what Led Zeppelin’s explanation for this behavior was, but other artists from the same time period were more scrupulous about crediting the people who wrote the blues songs they covered.
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### Author:  [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2013, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/led-zeps-nobodys-fault-but-mine-another-rip-off/664055/11 "2013-07-23T01:06:07Z")
> [@Marley23](#):
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> Covering a song isn’t stealing. Taking credit for someone else’s work, on the other hand, is an awful lot like stealing. And I forget what Led Zeppelin’s explanation for this behavior was, but other artists from the same time period were more scrupulous about crediting the people who wrote the blues songs they covered.
Yes, but I think there are more people who don’t give credit than do. Clapton didn’t credit Blind Willie Johnson when he covered him, either. Also, both were really substantially borrowing from Johnson, neither are straight covers of the songs.