# Lee Harvey Oswald, James Earl Ray, AND... **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 22, 2013, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lee-harvey-oswald-james-earl-ray-and/647997 "2013-01-22T13:26:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lee-harvey-oswald-james-earl-ray-and/647997/21 "2013-01-23T07:32:56Z")
> [@Hottius\_Maximus](#): > > What exactly did Malcolm X do that pissed off the Nation of Islam? Did he have a falling out with Elijah Muhammed, perhaps over rumors of Elijah Muhammed having sex with underage girls? Or was their more to it than that? Is there any evidence that Minister Farrakhan was involved? Part of it was his was problems with Elijah Muhammed, others had to do with him leaving the NOI and becoming a Sunni Muslim. He also began moving away from black separatism, which DEFINITELY didn’t sit well with Elijah. ---
**Author:** ![Saraya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Saraya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saraya)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lee-harvey-oswald-james-earl-ray-and/647997/22 "2013-01-23T15:29:41Z")
> [@Hottius\_Maximus](#): > > Okay so most people know the names and fates of the assassins of President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King, as well as the circumstances of the assassinations. However, MOST people (myself included) could NOT name the assassins of Malcolm X OR tell anyone what eventually became of them That’s because he and them alike were not worth remembering. Really, that’s a serious answer. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lee-harvey-oswald-james-earl-ray-and/647997/23 "2013-01-23T17:48:56Z")
> [@Kevbo](#): > > In Albuquerque, the Catholic High School is Pious X. The students, parents, alumni have car window/bumper stickers that are just an X in the school colors. > > I moved to Albuquerque just after the Spike Lee Movie came out. For years I was amazed at the number of Malcolm X fans in this town, and marveled over the fact that none of them were black. It was seriously about 10 years before I learned what the deal was. In my defense, in normal conversation the school is known only as “Pious” and it is on the other side of town, so it was about that long before I saw it written. So, I went about X minutes, and it took another read of your post before I figured out why there were so many Malcolm X fans in Albuquerque. :smack:(Some days my brain works faster than others.) ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lee-harvey-oswald-james-earl-ray-and/647997/24 "2013-01-23T18:30:24Z")
> [@Hottius\_Maximus](#): > > What exactly did Malcolm X do that pissed off the Nation of Islam? Did he have a falling out with Elijah Muhammed, perhaps over rumors of Elijah Muhammed having sex with underage girls? Or was their more to it than that? Is there any evidence that Minister Farrakhan was involved? Malcolm’s investigation into the Elijah Muhammed’s fathering of children with young girls was what caused him to leave the NOI. Farrakhan wrote in the NOI newspaper that Malcolm was worthy of death. He spoke at the mosque where the assasins worshipped days after the assasination. He later justified the murder as something a nation does to its traitors. He apologized in 2000 for speaking words that contributed to the climate that led to Malcolm’s death but denied ordering it. One of the men who was convicted of the murder was made head of the NOI’s harlem mosque by Farrakhan. ---
**Author:** ![Hottius\_Maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ab097/32.png) [@Hottius\_Maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hottius_Maximus)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lee-harvey-oswald-james-earl-ray-and/647997/25 "2013-01-24T00:53:34Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > Malcolm’s investigation into the Elijah Muhammed’s fathering of children with young girls was what caused him to leave the NOI. Farrakhan wrote in the NOI newspaper that Malcolm was worthy of death. He spoke at the mosque where the assasins worshipped days after the assasination. He later justified the murder as something a nation does to its traitors. He apologized in 2000 for speaking words that contributed to the climate that led to Malcolm’s death but denied ordering it. One of the men who was convicted of the murder was made head of the NOI’s harlem mosque by Farrakhan. As Arte Johnson would say: “Verrrrry Interesting…” ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lee-harvey-oswald-james-earl-ray-and/647997/26 "2013-01-24T02:44:30Z")
> [@Hottius\_Maximus](#): > > Lee Harvey Oswald, James Earl Ray, AND… > [@JerrySTL](#): > > Sirhan Sirhan. What I find HIGHLY suspicious is that the three of them don’t have a proper surname among them. Just first names. I’ve heard from someone who had official encounters with the CIA that he could always tell if one was traveling under a cover name because his first and last names were both first names. Having a middle name that is also a first name is the clincher. I’m willing to bet that Sirhan Sirhan’s middle name was also Sirhan. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lee-harvey-oswald-james-earl-ray-and/647997/27 "2013-01-24T02:53:26Z")
Having a given name as a family name is quite common in the Anglo tradition. And why would the CIA choose a recognizable pattern for false names? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lee-harvey-oswald-james-earl-ray-and/647997/28 "2013-01-24T03:39:10Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Having a given name as a family name is quite common in the Anglo tradition. I know. My wife’s relatives tend to be named Tom Thomas. Even the women. > [@](#): > > And why would the CIA choose a recognizable pattern for false names? Because they are idiots or my source is crazy. Or both. I know my source is a bit off and the CIA has [del]sometimes[/del] [del]rarely[/del] never been nearly as effective as they could be. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lee-harvey-oswald-james-earl-ray-and/647997/29 "2013-01-25T02:01:26Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > What I find HIGHLY suspicious is that the three of them don’t have a proper surname among them. Just first names. I’ve heard from someone who had official encounters with the CIA that he could always tell if one was traveling under a cover name because his first and last names were both first names. Having a middle name that is also a first name is the clincher. I’m willing to bet that Sirhan Sirhan’s middle name was also Sirhan. I’ve never known anyone with the first name “Oswald”. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lee-harvey-oswald-james-earl-ray-and/647997/30 "2013-01-25T02:35:56Z")
Not [Oswald Boelcke](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Boelcke)? Or Ozzie Nelson? Or [Oswald the Lucky Rabbit](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9LmDpMO2k0)? Disney traded Al Michaels to Universal to get him back because he is so valuable. Oswalds are everywhere, lurking in the shadows, ready to call in a CIA drone strike on you for suggesting that Ozzie Osbourne is really named John. But I’ve said too much. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lee-harvey-oswald-james-earl-ray-and/647997.md?page=1)