# Leftists are trying to kill the Right **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 21, 2021, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086 "2021-09-21T21:39:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2021, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/101 "2021-09-25T14:27:30Z")
Your misfortune is due to your bad choices. My misfortune is due to circumstances beyond my control. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/102 "2021-09-27T20:04:53Z")
And now they’re canceling one of their own for daring to be outspoken about getting vaccinated. Death cult, indeed. > **[Daniel Darling Fired from NRB After Pro-Vaccine Remarks](https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2021/august/daniel-darling-fired-nrb-covid-vaccine-morning-joe-usa-toda.html)** > > The ministry’s former spokesman had appeared in national media explaining why he as a Christian trusts the COVID-19 vaccine. > Daniel Darling, an evangelical author and the spokesman for NRB (National Religious Broadcasters), spoke out this month about his decision to get the COVID-19 vaccine in an op-ed in _USA Today_ and a segment on _MSNBC_. > NRB, which calls itself the largest association of Christian communicators, has more than 1,100 members working in Christian radio, TV, and other media. Part of the group’s purpose, it says, is to advocate for the “free speech rights of our members.” > In the aftermath of Darling’s firing, some evangelicals raised concerns that NRB was defying its own stances around free speech and anti-censorship, or that it was [aligning with conservative radio pundits](https://twitter.com/deaninserra/status/1431380178018750464) at the expense of a leader like Darling. NRB is backpedaling now, but sounds to me like he got fired for straying too far off the reservation … ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/103 "2021-09-27T22:20:23Z")
Why is a supposed “Christian” organization against life saving medicine? What possibly scriptural reason can they possibly have? Are they also against other Western medicines? Against cancer treatment? Stents for heart disease? Asthma medication? Or are they simply overt political organizations now? ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/104 "2021-09-27T23:57:53Z")
I received an e-mail from a pastor acquaintance of mine late last week that read in part: The virus has a 99.6 percent survival rate, you drive a vehicle and are far more likely to harm or kill someone driving than being unvaccinated, where is your outrage against drivers?? He then continued that he never spoke either for or against masks or vaccines (although his pontificating leaves no doubt which choices he has made and which choices he as the senior pastor finds most ideal), I accept people who are vaccinated or unvaccinated. Even in the way he phrases this argument makes me think it is a talking point created to skirt the Johnson Amendment (and I have heard him use the exact same language about a dozen or so times). In his case, I am pretty certain he is a purely political entity (they don’t even take a collection- they do have a donation box in the foyer but rarely is anyone seen dropping anything into it) and I think because it is a large influential church they are at least partly funded by the Heritage Foundation or some similar organization. He has also told me not to contact him ever again unless I change my tune, to not even reply to the e-mail. It seems he does not want anyone around who may suggest to others that he might not be completely sincere and above board in matters of faith. He told me the church and himself have no need for “virtue signaling” which is how he characterized my questions (which were pretty similar to yours). He is a very charming hypocrite, I do have to give him that (until you disagree with him). ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/105 "2021-09-28T01:49:02Z")
Their whataboutism arguments are so fucking stupid that anyone with half a brain can pick them apart in 2 seconds. If we had a one-time solution so that car crashes wouldn’t kill you, something that took 15 minutes like taking a vaccine and had pretty much no downsides, would you not do that thing? Or would you say “I’m not going to take the thing that makes me not able to die in car crashes because heart attacks more kill people”? ---
**Author:** ![Esprise\_Me](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprise_me/32/2947_2.png) [@Esprise\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprise_Me)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/106 "2021-09-28T02:27:07Z")
Seriously. The closest things we have to a vaccine against car crashes are seatbelts and airbags, and guess what? They’re mandatory! ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/107 "2021-09-28T02:30:44Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > If we had a one-time solution so that car crashes wouldn’t kill you, something that took 15 minutes like taking a vaccine and had pretty much no downsides, would you not do that thing? Or would you say “I’m not going to take the thing that makes me not able to die in car crashes because heart attacks more kill people”? Look, if we’re not going to let them make false analogies, they won’t be able to make any analogies! Won’t _someone_ think of the fallacies?!? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/108 "2021-09-28T03:13:01Z")
Getting back to the OP: The idea that liberals were deliberately trying to kill conservatives by saying “wear masks! get vaxxed!” is obviously inane and totally false. That being said, though, just as a thought experiment: Suppose that you were a liberal president, agency director, or whatnot and it **was** indeed your secret goal to get as many Republicans killed as possible. What method could you use (with words alone) that could possibly be more effective at doing so than what Fauci and the Dems did? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/109 "2021-09-28T03:27:27Z")
Not tell them to get vaccinated. Then the same group of pig-ignorant conservatives would complain they weren’t being told what they needed to be told to survive. I have a stubborn son. If you don’t tell him to do certain things (that are in his own interests) he doesn’t do them. If you do he tells you he won’t do them because you’re “forcing” him to. Shrug. The phraseology you use (“what Fauci and the Dems did”) is bizarre in itself. Neither have done anything political at all. Fauci is a non-partisan civil servant. The government (which as it happens has since the start of this year been headed by a Dem) has done what any government would do in this situation which is urge the populace (in an entirely non-politically aligned way) to get vaccinated. That a certain political group has chosen to treat this as political is nobody’s fault but theirs. The only political thing that has been "done’ is by idiotic conservatives to themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/110 "2021-09-28T03:43:33Z")
If you were hosting a party at which there were A’s and B’s (and you are an A) and you offered everyone food, but B’s wouldn’t eat because you had offered it, and then blamed you even more for their hunger because (like any good host) you’d urged them to eat, would it be reasonable to say you had “done” this to them? It’s beyond bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/111 "2021-09-28T03:48:11Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > African Americans are the largest demographic group of unvaxxed people. Hispanics aren’t far behind. This is not a Republican Demographic. In New York, only 28% of the Black poulation is vaccinated. Where are you getting 28%? Your cite does not say that. My cite says 39% is fully vaccinated in NYC. BTW, only 59% of whites are fully vaccinated in NYC? [https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.page#nyc](https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.page#nyc) Why are you picking out NY for your point anyway? And why are you not bothering to mention that minorities have started vaccinating at a higher rate in recent months? I’ll repost what others have posted so that we’re all clear on the actual data. > **[Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity | KFF](https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-by-race-ethnicity/)** > > KFF is collecting and analyzing data on COVID-19 vaccinations by race/ethnicity to gain increased insight who is receiving the vaccine and whether some groups are facing disparities in vaccination. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/112 "2021-09-28T04:41:25Z")
Not that he’ll listen, but just a quick data point. Mortality statistics for 2020 [Motor Vehicle deaths 38,680](https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2020-fatality-data-show-increased-traffic-fatalities-during-pandemic) [Covid deaths 377,883](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm#T1_down) So about a 10 fold difference. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/113 "2021-09-28T04:57:57Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Suppose that you were a liberal president, agency director, or whatnot and it **was** indeed your secret goal to get as many Republicans killed as possible. What method could you use (with words alone) that could possibly be more effective at doing so than what Fauci and the Dems did? Well, they could do what the InfoWars crowd have actually done, which is just lie their asses off about it. “We genetically engineered the fetal-tissue derived Spikey Proteins to target “Christian DNA”, so as to alter their hormonal balance and turn them all into Gay Transsexual Frogs with inappropriate gender pronouns, who like to drive Priuses to the Whole Foods store so they can pay too much for soy products from CHY-na!” ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/114 "2021-09-28T06:11:53Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Suppose that you were a liberal president, agency director, or whatnot and it **was** indeed your secret goal to get as many Republicans killed as possible. What method could you use (with words alone) that could possibly be more effective at doing so than what Fauci and the Dems did? Nothing they did was nearly as effective as what Trump and the Southern governors did, but if I had to do more, I’d recruit some people to claim they are true blue conservatives and have them start posting the same crap the right is posting now. So the Republicans have saved the Dems all kinds of money. ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/115 "2021-09-28T06:42:46Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Not that he’ll listen, but just a quick data point. > > Mortality statistics for 2020 > > [Motor Vehicle deaths 38,680](https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2020-fatality-data-show-increased-traffic-fatalities-during-pandemic) > [Covid deaths 377,883](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm#T1_down) > > So about a 10 fold difference. Thank you for this, I believe I will bother to inform him about these numbers and about this fact: > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Their whataboutism arguments are so fucking stupid that anyone with half a brain can pick them apart in 2 seconds. > > If we had a one-time solution so that car crashes wouldn’t kill you, something that took 15 minutes like taking a vaccine and had pretty much no downsides, would you not do that thing? Or would you say “I’m not going to take the thing that makes me not able to die in car crashes because heart attacks more kill people”? With this detail added: > [@Esprise\_Me](#): > > Seriously. The closest things we have to a vaccine against car crashes are seatbelts and airbags, and guess what? They’re mandatory! As **Buck** says, he isn’t going to listen but I believe it is my duty to inform him he is full of shit anyway. Maybe someday the horse will learn to sing? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/116 "2021-09-28T06:49:23Z")
> [@anny\_m](#): > > A few days ago, someone on Twitter posted a link to this article[Howard Stern Proves Democrats Want Unvaccinated Trump Voters Dead](https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/09/10/nolte-howard-stern-proves-democrats-want-unvaccinated-trump-voters-dead/amp/?__twitter_impression=true#from-homepageAP) : They underestimate my malice toward them. I wouldn’t object to the vaccinated [America-hating fuckstick] voters being dead as well. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/117 "2021-09-28T06:51:12Z")
[You do it to yourself, you do And that’s what really hurts Is that you do it to yourself, just you You and no one else You do it to yourself You do it to yourself](https://genius.com/Radiohead-just-lyrics) And this from the party of (alleged) personal responsibility… ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/118 "2021-09-28T07:13:14Z")
To me it is **SenorBeef** ’s point that is the killer. The mortality statistics are no doubt correct but somewhat happenstance. The point about seat belts and airbags is of course correct but I suspect your pastor friend will say that such measures _shouldn’t_ be mandatory, even if they are. However, there is no denying the fundamentally stupid illogic of saying that one shouldn’t bother taking a readily available and “costless” precaution against a risk, merely because there are other greater risks. Life is a game of pragmatism: you do what you can. It is completely irrelevant that there are things which – could you do them – would be even better, but which you can’t do. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/119 "2021-09-28T07:28:23Z")
> [@Temporary\_Name](#): > > He has also told me not to contact him ever again unless I change my tune What’s your current tune? _The Camptown Races_? Maybe try him out with _Stars Fell On Alabama_… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086/120 "2021-09-28T08:53:20Z")
> [@Temporary\_Name](#): > > He then continued that he never spoke either for or against masks or vaccines (although his pontificating leaves no doubt which choices he has made and which choices he as the senior pastor finds most ideal), Can a Protestant pastor pontificate? 😏 > [@Horatius](#): > > Gay Transsexual Frogs Band name! Are we still doing “band name”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leftists-are-trying-to-kill-the-right/951086.md?page=7)