# Legal permanent residents being stopped at the border **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 28, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431 "2017-01-28T20:51:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/1 "2017-01-28T20:51:44Z")
The regime is preventing legal, permanent residents of the United States from entering the country from targeted countries. [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&referer=https://t.co/Owa87v9wj4&\_r=0](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&referer=https://t.co/Owa87v9wj4&_r=0) > [@](#): > > Human rights groups reported that legal permanent residents of the United States who hold green cards were being stopped in foreign airports as they sought to return from funerals, vacations or study abroad — a clear indication that Mr. Trump’s directive is being applied broadly. Green card holders may not be citizens, but they are Americans. They have a right to be in this country. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/2 "2017-01-28T21:16:25Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > …They have a right to be in this country. Not any more. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/3 "2017-01-28T21:21:54Z")
[ITMFA](http://www.impeachthemotherfuckeralready.com/) County abandons its values. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/4 "2017-01-28T21:26:44Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Green card holders may not be citizens, but they are Americans. They have a right to be in this country. Pfft. “Facts”. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/5 "2017-01-28T21:29:06Z")
There will be lawsuits a plenty. What an awful fucking Trump-made tragedy. Any defenders of blocking legal permanent residents – law abiding people with jobs and homes and families? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/6 "2017-01-28T22:55:04Z")
[This is who we are now.](http://jezebel.com/a-doctor-waits-for-the-plane-carrying-his-wife-a-syria-1791734186) ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/7 "2017-01-28T22:56:46Z")
In case anyone was confused, this is was an actual “war on religion” looks like. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/8 "2017-01-28T23:03:36Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > In case anyone was confused, this is was an actual “war on religion” looks like. But Christmas will be safe this year, right? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/9 "2017-01-28T23:18:53Z")
I’m guessing Trump supporters, at best, think this is a good idea, bad execution thing? ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/10 "2017-01-28T23:23:58Z")
You can prove that Trump is being more than fair and only blocking the real threats. Looking at the list, it makes sense that Saudi Arabia isn’t on there. After all, nobody from Saudi Arabia ever committed a terrorist attack against the US. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/11 "2017-01-29T00:20:26Z")
The usual Trump defenders on this board are noticeably absent from this thread. Is it possible that their hero did something they’re not 100% on board with? ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/12 "2017-01-29T00:26:31Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The usual Trump defenders on this board are noticeably absent from this thread. Is it possible that their hero did something they’re not 100% on board with? They’re out celebrating because at long last our country is safe from scientists, interpreters, students, and victims of savage civil wars. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/13 "2017-01-29T00:29:16Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I’m guessing Trump supporters, at best, think this is a good idea, bad execution thing? Your theory is highly questionable as it involves Trump supporters thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/14 "2017-01-29T00:37:28Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The usual Trump defenders on this board are noticeably absent from this thread. Is it possible that their hero did something they’re not 100% on board with? Trump supporters? [I don’t think they exist.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYHg8vJSz-Q) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/15 "2017-01-29T00:58:36Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I’m guessing Trump supporters, at best, think this is a good idea, bad execution thing? Judging from the kinds of things I’ve seen posted in other threads, they’ll just read a phrase like “returned to Iraq” or “returned to Syria” and consider it a job well done. The fact that, say, a doctor’s wife is being prevented from rejoining her husband in the US doesn’t matter, because facts don’t matter, or if they ever do, there are always “alternative facts”. Now we know what “basket of deplorables” means. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/16 "2017-01-29T01:48:02Z")
I see that a lot of protests are starting at major international airports like JFK, SFO, LAX, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/17 "2017-01-29T01:51:44Z")
Not just green cards, folks. [It also applies to full-blown citizens with dual citizenship from the listed countries.](http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-visa-ban-also-applies-to-citizens-with-dual-nationality-state-department-says-1485628654?) This is fucking _insane!_ ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/18 "2017-01-29T01:54:26Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Pfft. “Facts”. :rolleyes: Okay, I know that they don’t matter anymore, but how does this not violate the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965? ETA: And how soon before a class action lawsuit seeking redress is filed? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/19 "2017-01-29T01:56:41Z")
Pfft. “Regulations”. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431/20 "2017-01-29T01:59:20Z")
So, stopping permanent residents returning with an executive order that was purportedly to prevent terrorists immigrating… Is this a bug or feature? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legal-permanent-residents-being-stopped-at-the-border/778431.md?page=2)