# Legality of Nevada malaria treatment ban **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [March 25, 2020, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247 "2020-03-25T12:12:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jim\_Peebles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Jim\_Peebles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/81 "2020-04-10T17:27:30Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > So, do you think Cardillo was truthful when he was saying that, when he gave his mixture to very sick patients, they were symptom-free in 8-12 hours? > > Dr. Zelenko is a family medicine doctor from upstate NY. If I can get my family doctor to say he’s spouting bullshit, would we call it a tie? > > On edit, feel free to ignore my second question, but I’d an answer to the first – do you think this mixture is a miracle cure that cures very sick patience to the point of having no symptoms within 12 hours? I believe Cardillo. I actually recommend we start cranking out hydroxychloroquine + zinc, and doctors PROPHYLACTICALLY give it to people they think need it to be safe, and we start the economy back up. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/82 "2020-04-10T17:32:38Z")
> [@](#): > > I see now, many people define a “source” as a “peer reviewed scientific publication”. I do not require that stamp of approval in order to admit some evidence into my assessment of a situation. And no, Dr. Cardillo is not the only doctor saying this. Google Dr. Zelenko, who credits doctors in France, South Korea, and China for inspiring his treatment approach. In this case, the world doesn’t have time for a formal scientific study to play out. What you have listed are opinions - however opinions are not evidence, even the greatest minds in science have had ‘opinions’ and have turned out to be spectacularly wrong - Einstein being one of them. This in turn led to other physicists taking the same line because they saw Einstein as an ‘authority’ without actually scientifically examining his assertions about quantum physics The name of the person expressing information is actually irrelevant - it is the provable information that is important - there have been advances in medical science especially that have almost been undermined simply because the person making claims didn’t have the respect of the scientific community - they were not seen as being authoritative simply because they didn’t fit the mould - they were not seen as being ‘one of the chosen ones’. for example these two were not taken particularly seriously at first because they were not seen as ‘authority’ > **[Nobel prize is awarded to doctors who discovered H pylori](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1246068/)** Having peer reviewed work gets around this problem because evidence cannot be refuted, but that evidence has to be testable to others in the scientific community. The danger that you present is that you are accepting title and names as ‘authority’ instead of looking at the provable evidence. You should ignore the job titles of individuals and look at the quality of their output. You ‘sources’ are actually nothing more than the mention of a couple of names, any idiot can name names, this is how pseudoscience works - which then ends up with a daisy chain of quotes that go around the idiots who keep requoting each other instead of linking to evidence. So, you are correct in your assumption that your cites are not ‘sources’ and I am pleased to observe that you have understood that fact. If you wish to progress your theory then by all means - but please do so by citing evidence and not the names of people who have awarded themselves specious titles - remember that the names of the scientists are not at all relevant - its the quality of their work. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/83 "2020-04-10T17:37:15Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > I believe Cardillo. I actually recommend we start cranking out hydroxychloroquine + zinc, and doctors PROPHYLACTICALLY give it to people they think need it to be safe, and we start the economy back up. Thanks for responding. I’m astonished that you think this miracle cure exists that would save thousands upon thousands of lives and people are just ignoring it. New York is desperate for help and if this really worked, they would be using it – can you imagine clearing out all their COVID-19 patients in 8-12 hours, symptom-free? I feel like I have little more to be gained by this thread, so I’ll say thanks again for responding and sign out of here. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_Peebles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Jim\_Peebles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/84 "2020-04-10T17:55:03Z")
> [@casdave](#): > > The danger that you present is that you are accepting title and names as ‘authority’ instead of looking at the provable evidence. You should ignore the job titles of individuals and look at the quality of their output. We are actually in agreement on that. It boggles my mind that you don’t see that. To the other poster about NY being desperate for help: > **[New York county executives want Cuomo to lift restrictions on...](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/?p=2629686)** > > New York county executives want access to the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine that Gov. Andrew Cuomo conceded showed early “effective” responses in COVID-19 virus patients in current clinical trials, which he began allowing within the state two... ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/85 "2020-04-10T18:01:10Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > If the Trump Pills work, we can open the economy back up though, regardless of why the Chinese freaked out. So much wrong in one simple sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/86 "2020-04-10T18:01:59Z")
Haven’t you guys learned by now that Jim doesn’t do research in the normal sense? He looks for what he wants to hear and then pushes that relentlessly no matter how many times it’s refuted. He’s our Charlie Brown, forever running to kick that football. He wants to believe. Unfortunately, the world is his Lucy. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/87 "2020-04-10T19:45:44Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > I believe Cardillo. I actually recommend we start cranking out hydroxychloroquine + zinc, and doctors PROPHYLACTICALLY give it to people they think need it to be safe, and we start the economy back up. The evidence for this stuff working as a treatment is thin, anecdotal, self- contradictory, and goes against every single thing that modern medicine knows about viral diseases. But that’s still more than exists for the claims that it works as a preventative. Not even your quacks are saying that. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/88 "2020-04-10T20:49:49Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > I actually recommend we start cranking out hydroxychloroquine + zinc, and doctors PROPHYLACTICALLY give it to people they think need it to be safe, and we start the economy back up. As mentioned, that magic pill doesn’t work. People taking it still get COVID. If magic pills worked, we’d see many happy reports, not drone videos of mass unmarked graves. Some believe in water-witching and divining for minerals etc. If dousing worked, I would expect major mining and petroleum outfits to support witching academies and not bother with all that costly hardware and geological training. Has anyone tried dousing for COVID yet? Rev Ken Copeland will cure you through a TV screen. How well does that work? Known quacks push your magic pills. Sad. No, more than sad: tragically toxic. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/89 "2020-04-10T21:02:59Z")
Edit window missed. [Get the full Kenneth Copeland treatment.](https://boingboing.net/2020/04/08/remix-of-bug-eyed-megapreacher.html) (SFW) ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/90 "2020-04-10T22:48:02Z")
I don’t know why Jim Peebles doesn’t want to try patients on [Kaletra and Bismuth](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chinese-doctors-at-coronavirus-hub-cast-doubt-on-chloroquine-as-cure/ar-BB12oKkn?li=BBnb7Kz). After all, here are doctors who say that is works better than chloroquine. Why pick just one miracle cocktail when you can find people claiming that there are better ones out there? > [@](#): > > Dr. Zhang, the Jinyintan Hospital chief, said that several of his patients—and three of his infected colleagues—had taken Kaletra. > > “After taking it, the changes in their entire lungs were really dramatic,” he said, adding that none of them needed critical care. “If I had a chance to do things again, I would definitely have patients take this drug within three to five days of getting sick.” Maybe this is the reason that China has so few deaths compared to the US[/anybody can make up a CT] ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/91 "2020-04-10T23:30:49Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > I expect when the dust settles people will ask “Why were the Chinese freaking out?” My guess is vape lung, which I think you are referring to. There will probably be many who say "it wasn’t so I have lived in Beijing for six years now. I can count the total number of people I have seen in this city in that entire time vaping on one hand. The Chinese are not “freaking out”, nor are they vaping in large numbers. And science does not work the way you seem to have described it in your posts in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/92 "2020-04-11T14:37:16Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > I actually recommend we start cranking out hydroxychloroquine + zinc, and doctors PROPHYLACTICALLY give it to people they think need it to be safe, and we start the economy back up. YOU recommend? YOU? Based on what evidence and expertise? For every complex problem there is always someone who comes along, with little to no credentials or evidence, offering a solution that is straight forward, simple, and WRONG. You ACTUALLY have no fucking idea what the hell you’re talking about. You ACTUALLY should leave recommendations to qualified experts who provide peer reviewed evidence. Because taking advice from unqualified sources who recommending doing dumb things quickly is likely to lead to a much larger problem. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/93 "2020-04-11T15:49:14Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > If the Trump Pills work, we can open the economy back up… I’ve long suspected that someone close to Trump reads the Dope. So we should enjoy Jim Pee while we can; once they see this thread, he’ll be on his way to Washington to head _The Donald’s Very Smart Trump Pills Strike Force Think Tank Alpha._ ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/94 "2020-04-11T16:20:57Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I’ve long suspected that someone close to Trump reads the Dope. So we should enjoy Jim Pee while we can; once they see this thread, he’ll be on his way to Washington to head _The Donald’s Very Smart Trump Pills Strike Force Think Tank Alpha._ …In Spaaaaace! , ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/95 "2020-04-11T16:31:45Z")
Jim Peebles. Please stop spreading misinformation. Not only does it not help, but there’s a very real possibility of causing considerable harm. If any of these treatments are proven to become effective, you won’t hear about it from Trump, or on Dr. Oz, etc… You’ll hear about it from the FDA, CDC, WHO, etc. We all have to do our part during this crisis and that means staying home as much as possible, practice social distancing, washing your hands, and not spreading misinformation. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/96 "2020-04-11T17:08:06Z")
Hey Jim Now here’s a fast track study I can fully get behind, and it will probably save more lives than Hydroxychloroquine! [https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/fauci-begs-pharma-companies-to-speed-development-of-anti-narcissism-drug](https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/fauci-begs-pharma-companies-to-speed-development-of-anti-narcissism-drug) ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/97 "2020-04-11T17:09:18Z")
Besides other issues with the OP’s discredited study that have already been mentioned, there’s this: > [@](#): > > Patients were excluded if they had a known allergy to hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine or had another known contraindication to treatment with the study drug, including retinopathy, G6PD deficiency and QT prolongation. Breastfeeding and pregnant patients were excluded based on their declaration and pregnancy test results when required. It sure seems like even the study’s authors recognized that there are potential dangers in using these drugs, and not everybody can tolerate them. And, while it’s been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, it must be emphasized that, of the people who got the treatment, not all of them completed the study. > [@](#): > > Six hydroxychloroquine-treated patients were lost in follow-up during the survey because of early cessation of treatment. Reasons are as follows: three patients were transferred to intensive care unit, including one transferred on day2 post-inclusion who was PCR-positive on day1, one transferred on day3 post-inclusion who was PCR-positive on days1-2 and one transferred on day4 post-inclusion who was PCR- positive on day1 and day3; one patient died on day3 post inclusion and was PCR-negative on day2; one patient decided to leave the hospital on day3 post-inclusion and was PCR-negative on days1-2; finally, one patient stopped the treatment on day3 post-inclusion because of nausea and was PCR-positive on days1-2-3. The results presented here are therefore those of 36 patients (20 hydroxychloroquine-treated patients and 16 control patients). None of the control patients was lost in follow-up. Among the reasons that some didn’t finish the study - they went to the ICU…or died. What about the guy who died, Jim? What about him? ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/98 "2020-04-11T18:00:29Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Besides other issues with the OP’s discredited study that have already been mentioned, there’s this: > It sure seems like even the study’s authors recognized that there are potential dangers in using these drugs, and not everybody can tolerate them. > > And, while it’s been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, it must be emphasized that, of the people who got the treatment, not all of them completed the study. > > Among the reasons that some didn’t finish the study - they went to the ICU…or died. > > What about the guy who died, Jim? What about him? > [@Ruken](#): > > A good way to boost your reported success rate is to remove people from the treatment group if they get sent to the ICU or if they die. Plenty of time to address this, but so far nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/99 "2020-04-11T18:26:08Z")
I wonder if OP has heard about our lord and savior ivermectin yet. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247/100 "2020-04-11T21:33:23Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > I wonder if OP has heard about our lord and savior ivermectin yet. I [posted a thread about that medicine some days ago](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=893604). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/legality-of-nevada-malaria-treatment-ban/850247.md?page=6)