# lekatt, JUST SHUT UP! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 29, 2007, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850 "2007-06-29T00:10:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/21 "2007-06-29T03:29:44Z")
[QUOTE=Princhester] To expand on that, if you read the posts in the thread to which I linked, you will find that Lekatt is not merely a problem here: his obtuseness is legendary on usenet and has been for eons. He is, quite frankly, not sane. I stopped debating him when I realised that doing so was the equivalent of poking a mentally deranged person through the bars of a cell. [/QUOTE] I remember him trolling a usenet group I participated in years before signing up here. Holy fuck was he annoying. I was ever so happy to see that he’s a member here as well. Ugh. Regardless of what you think about him, you gotta give him some credit for turning his NDE claims into such a longstanding and consistent posting personality on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/22 "2007-06-29T03:31:57Z")
Posting personality? I’d describe it more as a mania. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/23 "2007-06-29T04:33:24Z")
Holy sequential threads, the one after this one is the “Beating a dead horse:” one. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cerowyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@Cerowyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cerowyn)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/24 "2007-06-29T04:34:12Z")
[QUOTE=samclem] Thanksgiving dinner(sorry, non-USA types). [/QUOTE] Countries other than the U.S. have Thanksgiving, too. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/25 "2007-06-29T05:21:34Z")
[QUOTE=Cerowyn] Countries other than the U.S. have Thanksgiving, too. [/QUOTE] But do people in those countries invite their crazy old uncles in for it? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/26 "2007-06-29T07:16:11Z")
Ahh The Internet, meeting of minds…good thing there’s lots of porno too. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/27 "2007-06-29T07:41:41Z")
Le katt strikes me as le insane. ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/28 "2007-06-29T10:39:35Z")
[QUOTE=Sitnam] Ahh The Internet, meeting of minds…good thing there’s lots of porno too. [/QUOTE] Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/29 "2007-06-29T10:46:11Z")
[QUOTE=Dijon Warlock] Cite? [/QUOTE] [Here](http ://shedloads.ofporn.com/welcome) you go. 😃 _Link broken but point made, I think. And it got past the work firewall!_ ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/30 "2007-06-29T10:47:18Z")
> [@](#): > > There is no such thing as identical experience for all. If this is what I think it is - a solipsist statement, and **Lekatt** truly believes this, it negates everything else he could possibly say about anything. -You can’t claim the universe is different for everyone, then go on to say anything concrete about anything. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/31 "2007-06-29T10:58:35Z")
[QUOTE=Monty] People believe in spiritual things because it makes them feel good. Science, on the other hand, is not a spiritual exercise. It’s a methodology based on evidence. [/quote] Well, spirit isn’t a scientific exercise either. I don’t think the claim that people believe in spiritual things because it makes them feel good holds up. As one class of counterexamples, I would offer the anxiety that surely must accompany a sojourn through a pit of lions. Another would be the dread surrounding a fire progressing toward one’s feet. In fact, for many faiths, _suffering_ — the very opposite of feeling good — is the spiritual ideal. People impoverish themselves, or even beat themselves with whips. People believe in spiritual things because they experience spiritual things. > [@](#): > > This is false. The very basic idea in the Scientific method is reproducability (I hope I got the right word for that). If an experiment cannot be reproduced, it’s worthless. But that’s not what he meant. At least, it isn’t what I would mean in agreeing with what you quoted him saying. The _result_ of the experiment might be the same, but the perception experienced by any two observers cannot possibly be the same owing to the nature of electromagnetism and the inability of two masses to occupy the same space at the same time. Even if you and I were to mash our heads together until our eyeballs bleed while we watch your experiment, our eyes are viewing from two different angles. Our experiences are therefore different. All he means (or all I mean) is that no two life experiences are ever the same. They cannot be. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/32 "2007-06-29T12:29:38Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] People believe in spiritual things because they experience spiritual things. [/QUOTE] I agree with this. But are spiritual experiences, however real to the individual, a product of the outside world, or of the mind alone? For the observer applying scientific principles, we can only conclude it is all in the head. ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/33 "2007-06-29T13:13:11Z")
> [@](#): > > If he were just stupid, I wouldn’t care. People have explained stuff to him using small easy to understand words, and he still doesn’t bother to even try to understand it. > [@](#): > > Near as I can tell, lekatt is the worst possible thing on the SDMB, short of a sock puppet or something: ignorance can be fought, but people who are willfully ignorant and refuse to be corrected are just plain fuckin’ poison. ++ **Lekatt** , you’re a loon. I refuse to be drawn in an ‘argument’ with you anymore, because it’s like arguing with a stubborn child who won’t listen to no. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/34 "2007-06-29T13:13:40Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] -You can’t claim the universe is different for everyone, then go on to say anything concrete about anything. [/QUOTE] It seems to be distressingly common among people who call their thought “post-modern”: “Nobody can be right but you are inarguably wrong!” ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/35 "2007-06-29T13:38:17Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Well, spirit isn’t a scientific exercise either. I don’t think the claim that people believe in spiritual things because it makes them feel good holds up. As one class of counterexamples, I would offer the anxiety that surely must accompany a sojourn through a pit of lions. Another would be the dread surrounding a fire progressing toward one’s feet. In fact, for many faiths, _suffering_ — the very opposite of feeling good — is the spiritual ideal. People impoverish themselves, or even beat themselves with whips. People believe in spiritual things because they experience spiritual things. [/QUOTE] As long as they admit that the experience occurs solely in their brain, much the same way that one person finds a joke funny while another doesn’t, I have no problem with it. The fact that something is “spiritual” (sigh) doesn’t make it real in any universal sense of the word. It’s as real as me saying I "I love the song _A Day In The Life_. BFD. What goes on in one person’s imagination is irrelevant to the rest of the world, except in the sense that their conveyance of their images may or may not be entertaining to others. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/36 "2007-06-29T15:53:09Z")
Why does anybody bother responding to him any more? If people would just ignore him, and stop engaging with him, maybe he’d go away. ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/37 "2007-06-29T16:27:08Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] Why does anybody bother responding to him any more? If people would just ignore him, and stop engaging with him, maybe he’d go away. [/QUOTE] Why would it? He pays, he plays, just like the rest of us. It seems to me maybe he has seen something that many have not. I haven’t. I _have_ seen shit that all the science and facts and book learning can’t explain. If you don’t like him why not just say so? I’m sure he won’t cry himself to sleep over it. I will say that I’ve only seen his postings of a religious nature so maybe I’m not as qualified as yourself to judge him. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/38 "2007-06-29T16:54:38Z")
[QUOTE=Omegaman] Why would it? He pays, he plays, just like the rest of us. It seems to me maybe he has seen something that many have not. I haven’t. I _have_ seen shit that all the science and facts and book learning can’t explain. If you don’t like him why not just say so? I’m sure he won’t cry himself to sleep over it. I will say that I’ve only seen his postings of a religious nature so maybe I’m not as qualified as yourself to judge him. [/QUOTE] I guess the question is, when you see things that science and book learning can’t explain, do you slap a supernatural overlay on it or do you say, “Wow…that was weird! I have no idea what I just saw!” Most of us have experienced things that we have no current scientific reference point for. That doesn’t mean it came from The Land Beyond…it simply means we don’t understand it. Though in LeKatt’s case, he’s heard numerous logical explanations for what he experienced and he _refuses_ to accept any of them as viable possibilities. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/39 "2007-06-29T16:58:28Z")
I’ve experienced things that we have no current scientific reference point for. I’ve seen message posts in flames off the shoulders of the Straight Dope. Time to nearly die. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850/40 "2007-06-29T17:02:04Z")
You can always reason with **Lekatt**. Then again you can always reason with a housecat, for all the good it will do you. (Stolen from PJ O’Rourke.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-just-shut-up/409850.md?page=3)