# Lekatt: kindly piss off **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 25, 2002, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521 "2002-08-25T20:47:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2003, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/21 "2003-03-03T21:50:23Z")
fuckity fuck fuck fuck. Uff da, that feels better. Sorry, I was involved in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3077853) for quite sometime. It’s been going on for about a month and a half now and **Lekatt** still just doesn’t get it. YOU FUCKING MUST FUCKING SHOW FUCKING EVIDENCE (AKA PROOF) FROM FUCKING REPUTABLE SOURCES BESIDES YOURSELF. FOR FUCK’S SAKE. (I really wanted to use the word “bloody” instead of “fucking” but I can’t pull off a british accent). ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2003, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/22 "2003-03-03T22:49:48Z")
Yep, **lekatt** is a dope. Probably a nice guy and well-intentioned and all that, but still a garden-variety dimwit. Humans became humans something between one and five hundred thousand years ago. Superstition, with belief in supernatural forces and magic, was the rule of the day. Every now and then, we came up with a useful invention, but progress was agonizingly slow. Then came the Enlightenment, and people began to figure out that the scientific method was a much more efficient and effective means of figuring out how the world works. Since that time, in the last, say, three hundred years, we’ve seen an expansion of knowledge and an improvement in living quality that is ridiculously out of proportion to the thousands and thousands of years preceding. What’s more, this explosion of understanding shows no sign of slowing down. Only a fool would put his faith in the worldview that left humanity stagnating in darkness for endless millennia. I feel bad for **lekatt** as an individual that science is painting him and his cherished fantasies into an ever-smaller corner, but I shed not a single tear on the issue for humanity as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2003, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/23 "2003-03-03T23:10:02Z")
**Lekatt** -Is involved in a number of different train wreck threads. Although he doesn’t listen to any sort of skeptical evidence I do find that he is _generally_ polite. The one thing that urks me in this [Train wreck](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3077853) is that for a while he was saying that the posters “hated” him and (IIRC) were insulting him, when nothing of the sort was going on. Sure we doubted psychics, but we weren’t mean to **lekatt** (IIRC). ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2003, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/24 "2003-03-03T23:12:18Z")
From that thread, he thinks cold reading doesn’t exist, even though people _admit_ to doing it? I could see (but vehemently disagree with) someone who might believe someone like John Edward isn’t doing it, he at least claims to be real. But to think that cold reading doesn’t exist even when people admit to doing it? This is bordering on mental disorder. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2003, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/25 "2003-03-03T23:22:06Z")
Meatros cites the train wreck thread. I wish Lekatt would quit posting to that one. If it died, we could try to communicate with it from beyond. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2003, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/26 "2003-03-03T23:28:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Meatros \* > \*\ ***Lekatt** -Is involved in a number of different train wreck threads. Although he doesn’t listen to any sort of skeptical evidence I do find that he is _generally_ polite. > > The one thing that urks me in this [Train wreck](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3077853) is that for a while he was saying that the posters “hated” him and (IIRC) were insulting him, when nothing of the sort was going on. Sure we doubted psychics, but we weren’t mean to **lekatt** (IIRC). \*\* Actually, he has been very polite and I’ll give him credit for that. The part I think he may have taken issue with was on [page 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=156629&perpage=50&pagenumber=2) where **TwistofFate** said “Arse”. It could’ve been directed towards so many other things, **Lekatt** though, did take it as an assault towards him. Such is online communication. **TOF** got the verbal spanking from the mod and that was it. But yeah, it’s a very frustrating debate, one side using verifiable proof, the other using personal experience. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2003, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/27 "2003-03-03T23:29:44Z")
::wonders why the “Don’t Be a Jerk” Rule doesn’t extend to people who post for the hell of it and don’t entertain serious responses. At least, in GD or GQ.:: ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2003, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/28 "2003-03-03T23:36:28Z")
Oh, I see **stpauler** actually put it far more eloquently than I did in an earlier post. I would only add, “BLOODY FUCKING HELL!” I actually think the South Park episode explaining cold reading is sufficient proof that it’s crap until some real evidence is adduced. ---
**Author:** ![Lux\_Fiat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bc79bd/32.png) [@Lux\_Fiat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lux_Fiat)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2003, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/29 "2003-03-03T23:55:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > Baccus or Jesus, my man. > > Which is it? Because I don’t think they’re liftin’ at the same gym…If you know what I mean. But if they were, that would be the best idea for a gay porno _ever_. ---
**Author:** ![Papermache\_Prince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f05b48/32.png) [@Papermache\_Prince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Papermache_Prince)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/30 "2003-03-04T00:22:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*::wonders why the “Don’t Be a Jerk” Rule doesn’t extend to people who post for the hell of it and don’t entertain serious responses. At least, in GD or GQ.:: \*\* The difference, I think, is that Lekatt **really, truly** believes he is responding seriously. The troll typically reveals in the end: “Ha, Ha! You thought I was serious.” Lekatt _is_ serious. He appears not to care when his cites are faulty and his writing murky. He, after all, Knows The Truth, while those who point out errors and inconsistencies in his statements are the Evil Meanie Skeptics. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/31 "2003-03-04T03:39:24Z")
No matter how thoroughly his arguments are debunked, he keeps arguing that not ALL psychics can be proved wrong, so obviously there are real psychics, therefore all of you skeptics are big meanies. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/32 "2003-03-04T07:40:44Z")
I don’t think Lekatt is polite at all. I find him to be opinionated, obstinate, disingenous, sarcastic, condescending, misinformed, and suffering from a martyr complex. And the worst thing is that every time he spews his hateful diatribe against reason and knowledge, he has the gall to sign his post with - _Love_, Leroy. You have a funny way of showing your love, Lekatt. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/33 "2003-03-04T15:06:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blalron \* > \*\*No matter how thoroughly his arguments are debunked, he keeps arguing that not ALL psychics can be proved wrong, so obviously there are real psychics, therefore all of you skeptics are big meanies. \*\* Well, I’d say it’s technically true that one cannot prove all psychics to be fake. There’s no way to prove that John Edward is not using a psychic ability. Since the reults he gets are perfectly consistant wih cold reading, anyone with a grain of skepticism knows instantly he is a fake, but that’s not proof. **Lekatt’s** nearly unforgivable ignorance is the belief that cold reading does not even exist, even though people have demonstrated the technique publicly. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/34 "2003-03-04T15:35:55Z")
It took him THIS long to garner a pit thread? He’s gotta work on that better. btw, is The Thread in the running for the longest GD ever? ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/35 "2003-03-04T15:50:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Revtim \* > \*\ ***Lekatt’s** nearly unforgivable ignorance is the belief that cold reading does not even exist, even though people have demonstrated the technique publicly. \*\* I agree with you. This is another point of frusteration involving **Lekatt** ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/36 "2003-03-04T17:19:07Z")
Umm, **lekatt** , has been pulling this schtick on the newsgroups for about eight years now. It’s gotten to the point where posters on usenet just ignore him. He pops in every now and then to drop some platitude or talk about his website. In those eight years he’s never been able(as far as I can see) to take serious criticism. He continually decides that people who haven’t had NDEs don’t, and can’t, understand. People who have had NDEs that didn’t agree with his interpretation of the experience he pronounces false Scotsmen. Basically, he’s got more stamina and practice doing this than most people on this board might realize. I’d advise you to ignore him. As much as it hurts to let ignorance go unfought, it’s just the best choice in this situation.(IMHO) Remember, ignoring him isn’t the same as validating his position. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/37 "2003-03-04T17:32:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Genseric \* > \*\*I was also very surprised to find out **lekatt** was in his 60s, I never would have guessed it from his posts. \*\* Wow!!! Admittedly, I haven’t studied **lekatt’s** posts in much detail - one only needs to skim a few of them to get the drift, and tune him out - but I, like you, would have guessed that he was much, much younger. Belief in UFOs, psychics, NDEs, and so forth usually pops up in adolescent males, around 13-15, when they seem to be “discovering” the world. Spooky stuff intrigues them, and they lack sufficient life experience and judgment properly to evaluate the outlandish claims of the John Edward and Erich von Daniken types. Usually, they grow out of it, helped along by experience and education. It’s pitiful to encounter someone who’s managed to get through over five decades of living without picking up any clues. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/38 "2003-03-04T19:55:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Psychics use the information they get from their inner spiritual senses to give readings. – **lekatt** on the Thread That Must Be Killed. “Inner”? That is such bullshit. Another way of admitting that you have no proof. He goes on to ask for cites, on page twenty fucking two, or something. Stop the insanity! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/39 "2003-03-04T20:45:38Z")
WOW. Such hatred directed at someone so spiritual. If you’d ever had a NDE, _then_ you’d know!! C’MON people. He presented all the evidence! The skeptics have been thoroughly debunked! Everything you need is right there, if you’ll only open your minds and hearts. The dead are trying to reac… ::shake:: I’m sorry, I don’t know what came over me. I must have been channeling one of Leroy’s ancestors. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521/40 "2003-03-04T21:32:46Z")
Guys, **lekatt** has 186 posts in that thread as of this moment. He also believes that if you pit him it means he “wins”. I can see some catharcic value in this thread, but it’s pretty clear he’s not going to stop. It is even more clear that he’s not going to change his mind on much of anything. Enjoy, Steven [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-kindly-piss-off/125521.md?page=3)