# Lekatt, you're an idiot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2005, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763 "2005-09-21T19:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/1 "2005-09-21T19:57:18Z")
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=335880&page=1&pp=50](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=335880&page=1&pp=50) I don’t want to put you on “ignore” and I don’t want you to go away. All I ask is that you, for once, remove your head from your rectum, accept that the ideas you pulled out of the same place might possible be so much shit, and make an effort to read and understand what people say to you and follow the links these kind, patient people provide. You know, LEARN SOMETHING. Evolution is a fact of existence; please reach some small measure of understanding of it before you shoot your mouth off again. Ghosts are not real and John Edward is a charlatan, a thief, and a vicous creature who preys on people who are mourning a loss, which is about as low as you can go in my book. Science will help you understand the world better than witch doctors. Being gullible is not a virtue and being subborn in your gullibility makes you look like an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/2 "2005-09-21T20:02:55Z")
“ **Lekatt** is an idiot” has long since passed beyond the realm of “the cow says moo” in the field of things that are so obvious I can’t imagine a time when everyone didn’t know it. > [@dropzone](#): > > Science will help you understand the world better than witch doctors. NOTHING is going to help **lekatt** understand the world. > [@](#): > > Being gullible is not a virtue and being subborn in your gullibility makes you look like an idiot. Look like an idiot. Hah. “ **Lekatt** may look like an idiot. He may talk like an idiot. But don’t let that fool you. He really is an idiot.” ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/3 "2005-09-21T20:05:33Z")
I know it feels good to pit him, but it’s been done so many times before it’s pretty much a traditon now. Perhaps we can designate one day a year to pit **lekatt** and treat it as a holiday. We can sing **“lekatt is an idiot”** carols and exchange cards, perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/4 "2005-09-21T20:09:51Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > We can sing **“lekatt is an idiot”** carols and exchange cards, perhaps. Carry that warm thought in your heart always. **lekatt** is an idiot all year 'round. Happy Holidays! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/5 "2005-09-21T20:13:22Z")
Good luck trying to get him to listen to anything. He is a mallet-headed one-trick pony, impervious to reason or logic, and so afraid of science and the order it provides to the universe, he cannot bear to apply any tools of critical thinking to his own philosophy. He lives in fear of the truth, so he must keep repeating his mantra over and over; “I _do believe_ in spooks!, I _do believe_ in spooks!” just to keep the truth from breaching his addiction to mythology and legend. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/6 "2005-09-21T20:46:54Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > He lives in fear of the truth, so he must keep repeating his mantra over and over; “I _do believe_ in spooks!, I _do believe_ in spooks!” just to keep the truth from breaching his addiction to mythology and legend. And from breaking through his self-delusion with the realization that he’s wasted his life. He has spent decades clinging to his lies and crap instead of pursuing some kind of truth. He’s spent decades flinging crap instead of doing things that might actually help people. He has torn out his eyes, sawn off his legs and convinced himself he is a collossus who bestrides the world and sees angels. For him to accept that what he believes is crap, he’d have to accept the decades he’s wasted and the cripple he has made himself. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/7 "2005-09-21T20:49:30Z")
Whoa, dude, now you have me feeling sorry for him! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/8 "2005-09-21T22:42:24Z")
Besides, Pitting him doesn’t do any good, you know. **Lekatt** won’t sully his delicate soul by venturing into the cesspool that is the Pit. Instead, he prefers to make his outrageous claims in Great Debates where he’s safe. He can protect himself from things which contradict his bizarre beliefs and avoid having to justify them and his actions. He can avoid seeing the disconnect between the love and truth he speaks of and the cruelty and falsehood of his words. It’s frustrating, I know, but as far as I can make out, we’re pretty much stuck. I keep telling myself I should avoid any thread he’s in, but he tends to like threads on the same topics I do. One of these days, you know, I’m going to forget to restrain myself and step over the line in GD. I came close during the Terri Schiavo debates earlier this year when he said that anyone who supported Michael Schiavo was against religion. When and if it happens (hopefully it won’t!), whichever mod tells me off will be perfectly justified, but, so help me, it’ll be a bit like the little brother who annoys you to the point where you forget who you are and where you are and pop him one. It may be justified, and he may have started it, but it still doesn’t make your (or my) actions right. CJ ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/9 "2005-09-21T23:17:19Z")
(battening down the hatches, putting on flameproof gear, preparing for a major hijack) Can someone explain to me the basic tenets of Intelligent Design? Putting it another way: I’m a Christian. I believe in evolution because frankly, IMHO, it’s rather stupid at this point not to. I do believe, however, that the entire complex, intricate process was overseen and kicked off by a Big-Cheese figure. Am I a proponent of Intelligent Design? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/10 "2005-09-21T23:24:10Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > I’m a Christian. I believe in evolution because frankly, IMHO, it’s rather stupid at this point not to. I do believe, however, that the entire complex, intricate process was overseen and kicked off by a Big-Cheese figure. > > Am I a proponent of Intelligent Design? No, but to continue along these lines, the existence of **lekatt** is excellent evidence that Intelligent Design is bunkum. I will of course believe in **lekatt’s** Deity once I receive a positive sign, i.e. said Deity turning **lekatt** into a newt. ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/11 "2005-09-21T23:24:35Z")
IMO, which is worth what you paid for it: Yes, but you’re not proposing to replace evolution with ID, since you seem to understand, from your post, that evolution is not the explanation for How It All Began. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/12 "2005-09-22T00:03:25Z")
It’s no use, **Jack** , he’ll get better. SisterCoyote: Understood. I mean, I know we evolved from apes and Neanderthals and became what we are today in response to the changing environment, and different stimuli, and all that. Not arguing with Darwin here, he’s better at it than I am. 😉 But, within the context of my beliefs, I figure that God (whoever or whatever God is) can put those changes and stimuli in place–alter events in history–and watch His experiment unfold. Kind of like a scientist with a lab mouse, but there you go. Mostly I think God exists on a spiritual level, in a spiritual realm, so I’m not much bothered by the fact that Genesis is a beautiful bit of poetic fiction. [/IMHO] ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/13 "2005-09-22T00:09:37Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > It’s no use, **Jack** , he’ll get better. > > SisterCoyote: Understood. I mean, I know we evolved from apes and Neanderthals and became what we are today in response to the changing environment, and different stimuli, and all that. Just FYI we didn’t evolve from Neanderthals, they are a different branch of the Hominids that is now extinct (despite **Lekatt** ’s apparently Neanderthal grasp of reality). ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/14 "2005-09-22T00:11:38Z")
I don’t think you should _believe_ in evolution. Evolution is something you know. God is something that you believe to be. Belief is faith. Believing in the unseen. ID people see the hand of God in the design of things. If you can see it than you don’t believe in it. You know it. You know God in you heart. You know evolution in you head. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/15 "2005-09-22T00:16:58Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > Can someone explain to me the basic tenets of Intelligent Design? > > Putting it another way: I’m a Christian. I believe in evolution because frankly, IMHO, it’s rather stupid at this point not to. I do believe, however, that the entire complex, intricate process was overseen and kicked off by a Big-Cheese figure. > > Am I a proponent of Intelligent Design? You appear to be an adherent of theistic evolution. While you believe in a Creator, you are willing to accept the evidence that the universe operates in particular ways that do not require direct intervention by that Creator. You may believe that the Creator has or has not directly intervened in the events of the Universe or the affairs of humanity, but you generally expect to find those interventions in singular events which may or may not be discoverable. Intelligent Design (capitalized) is a specific attempt to modify the Theory of Evolution (with no reference to astronomy, geology, physics, chemistry, or other disciplines) by the specific statement that some evolutionary events are so improbable, that “obviously” some “designer” intervened to make them happen at some point. No evidence of Intelligent Design has ever been discovered and the few attempts to claim such discoveries have turned out to be applications of the “god of the gaps” fallacy. In that error, someone claims that there is no way that events could go from point A to point B without a “god” carrying the event across a gap. For every “god of the gaps” hypothesis that has been proposed, real scientists have found intermediate points C and D between A and B, indicating that there is a naturalistic path between points A and B. Intelligent Design advocates, instead of recognizing that their hypothesis was in error, simply declare that the “god” is still in the gap between points C and D. Some people who do not closely follow scientific discussions are sometimes misled by the proponents of Intelligent Design to think that the theistic evolution which they accept is “really” Intelligent Design. Sometimes that is simply honest confusion based on a lack of knowledge regarding ID, but often it is due to deliberate efforts by ID proponents to confuse the issue so that they can get their pseudoscience accepted by school boards. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/16 "2005-09-22T00:36:38Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > Just FYI we didn’t evolve from Neanderthals, they are a different branch of the Hominids that is now extinct (despite **Lekatt** ’s apparently Neanderthal grasp of reality). [Neanderthal from TV commercial]Not cool. Not cool![/Neanderthal] ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/17 "2005-09-22T03:12:50Z")
**Tomndeb** , that is an extremely useful post. If you don’t mind, I think I’ll save it for the next time someone tries to convince me of the wonders of creationism and ID. They just don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/18 "2005-09-22T04:38:52Z")
Works for me. (Keep an eye on this thread for folks submitting corrections or improvements to what I posted.) ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/19 "2005-09-22T05:18:03Z")
After reading all the stupid stuff he wrote about Terri Schiavo over and over and over again I cannot accept anything he writes at face value. He could write that two and two equals four and I would still be tempted to look it up. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/20 "2005-09-22T05:46:30Z")
What pisses me off is his tossing out of strawmen (“Scientists just want to prove God out of existence, and they say that life was created randomly”), and when someone like **tomndebb** politely points out to him that this isn’t the case, he completely ignores it, doesn’t even ATTEMPT to address what was said, but continues to tilt at windmills. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763.md?page=2)