# Lekatt, you're an idiot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2005, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763 "2005-09-21T19:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/21 "2005-09-22T05:50:51Z")
Is this thread basically a pitting of religion and spirituality? Because belief in one divine origin is the same as belief in any other divine origin, in my book. I don’t know what this guy’s religion is, but if you’re calling him an idiot because he believes in it, then you’re calling every Muslim and Jew who believes on the planet a liar and fraud. You’re calling every adherent to shamanistic or anamistic religions an idiot. You’re calling everyone not privy to Western science an idiot. That’s a strong statement. ---
**Author:** ![Greenback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/2bfe46/32.png) [@Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greenback)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/22 "2005-09-22T06:00:01Z")
> [@Argent Towers](#): > > Is this thread basically a pitting of religion and spirituality? > > Because belief in one divine origin is the same as belief in any other divine origin, in my book. I don’t know what this guy’s religion is, but if you’re calling him an idiot because he believes in it, then you’re calling every Muslim and Jew who believes on the planet a liar and fraud. You’re calling every adherent to shamanistic or anamistic religions an idiot. You’re calling everyone not privy to Western science an idiot. That’s a strong statement. Hi. You must be new here 😃 Someone else can explain it to you here. In the meantime, you can go read some of **Lekatt** ’s past threads for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/23 "2005-09-22T06:29:28Z")
> [@Argent Towers](#): > > Is this thread basically a pitting of religion and spirituality? No, it’s basically a pitting of repetitiveness and stupidity. > [@](#): > > I don’t know what this guy’s religion is, but if you’re calling him an idiot because he believes in it, then you’re calling every Muslim and Jew who believes on the planet a liar and fraud. Not true. Nobody has called **lekatt** a liar. As a debater, he seems to have problems with selective memory, but I think he’s too stupid to lie. Actually I’m amazed he has the medulla functions required for breathing. Science should take a good long look at that skull of his when he shuffles off whatever coil he says he has. I know I’m asking for it, but there’s also the matter of “why would he say these moronic things if he didn’t believe them?” I doubt he’s a liar. > [@](#): > > You’re calling every adherent to shamanistic or anamistic religions an idiot. You’re calling everyone not privy to Western science an idiot. That’s a strong statement. Strictly speaking, we’d be calling them _wrong_, not an idiot. You can be one without being the other. If you’re an atheist, and I am, you’re basically saying everyone who believes in god is wrong anyway, so that wouldn’t be in some other league. You know what **lekatt** reminds me of? He’s like a scatterbrained version of the pet shop owner in Monty Python’s Dead Parrot Sketch. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/24 "2005-09-22T06:59:02Z")
> [@Argent Towers](#): > > I don’t know what this guy’s religion is, but if you’re calling him an idiot because he believes in it, then you’re calling every Muslim and Jew who believes on the planet a liar and fraud. Nah **lekatt** has three basic themes, repeated _ad nauseam_: He interrupts other threads to claim that: - Near Death Experiences “prove” that there is life after death and that “science” refuses to look at the evidence. His “evidence” is a series of anecdotes posted on his own web site, to which he links repeatedly, all the while proclaiming that his anecdotes are scientific proof. - “Science” is trying to destroy religion and “science” has declared that there is no such thing as spirituality. When it is pointed out that science has no business talking about the spiritual and that many scientists are religious, and even Christian, he simply ignores those statements, even when they are supported by links to sites discussing religious or Christian scientists and then repeats his refrain that “science” is attempting to overthrow religion. - Evolution is “only a theory.” And when links are provided demonstrating the evidence for the fact of evolution and to sites distinguishing the fact of evolution from the theory of how it happened, he ignores the evidence and repeates that it is only a “theory” because no one saw it happen. When further links and explanations are provided, demonstrating that speciation has been observed in living creatures, he ignores that information to repeat that evolution is “only a theory” that has “never been observed.” Pitting him is a waste of time and energy, but he is not being pitted simply for holding religious beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/25 "2005-09-22T07:40:41Z")
It seems to me he’s just hit a nerve among those who refuse to accept spirituality of any kind. I think he wouldn’t draw the level of vitriol I see here if his opponents were even mildly spiritual or religious in any sense at all. Just what it seems like to me. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/26 "2005-09-22T08:12:33Z")
Flat-out wrong on that guess, **Argent**. The most vocal critic of **lekatt** on these boards is probably **tomndebb** , who is Catholic. So, IIRC, is **Guinastasia** , and **Siege** is Episcopalian. Considering **lekatt** to be an annoying, bigoted, resolutely ignorant waste of time is a truly ecumenical viewpoint, shared by Dopers across the entire spectrum of religious belief. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/27 "2005-09-22T08:58:45Z")
> [@Argent Towers](#): > > It seems to me he’s just hit a nerve among those who refuse to accept spirituality of any kind. I think he wouldn’t draw the level of vitriol I see here if his opponents were even mildly spiritual or religious in any sense at all. Just what it seems like to me. How…how shall I say this?..Oh, yes!..How lekattesque a comment! Did you bother to read any of the posts above? You were politely informed of the facts of the matter and yet, just like lekatt does, you blew off the facts and claimed that it’s some kind of conspiracy against The Truth[sup]tm[/sup]. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/28 "2005-09-22T09:45:32Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > What pisses me off is his tossing out of strawmen (“Scientists just want to prove God out of existence, and they say that life was created randomly”), and when someone like **tomndebb** politely points out to him that this isn’t the case, he completely ignores it, doesn’t even ATTEMPT to address what was said, but continues to tilt at windmills. This debating “technique” is (should be) already known as [“Lekatting”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=169316). At least according to me. I try and try to get this term going but it never seems to take off. Dammit. **PatriotX** amusing hit the nail on the head with the following post from the above linked thread (I find his last two sentences particularly amusing, the more so in the context of the OP): > [@PatriotX](#): > > I think that he is worthy of commemoration as a celebrity of the somewhat infamous type. I think he is well on his way to earning a place in netlore. > I think that everyone should recognize what a giant of lekattism we have among us. > > I found out that he is cited on several foreign language sites related to NDE’s. > I discovered that everyone of the arguments that I’ve seen used against his assertions about life after death, NDE’s, psychics, etc here on the **SDMB** has also been used somewhere else with equal success. > > I move that new people who encounter **Lekatt** shouldn’t be warned against arguing with him until they **Pit** him. > > I hope **Lekatt** never leaves. And then I have to comment on this: > [@Marley23](#): > > Nobody has called **lekatt** a liar. Not so fast, there. I will unashamedly own up to having done so and I don’t regret it for a moment. Forgive me if I [quote myself from this thread] ([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=4998801](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=4998801)): > [@Princhester](#): > > > [@Hey you!](#): > > > > And I have to say, for some reason I cannot articulate, that > > > > “Love” > > > > sig was uncalcuably annoying. > > I’ll articulate for you. It was (is, will be) annoying because Leroy is and was intellectually dishonest, a liar, and a hypocrite who treats other people as fools, in polite language while mouthing the word “love”. > > Read the great train wreck GD thread in which I was a significant participant, referred to by stpauler above. Lekatt says things and then denies he’s said them, doesn’t answer difficult questions you raise and then (a few pages later) barefacedly says he has, lies about what is in cites etc etc. Not just once or twice, but over and over. > > He’s a killer who smiles politely as he stabs you then acts hurt when you accuse him of violence. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/29 "2005-09-22T09:47:45Z")
**Argent Towers** , as **Kimstu** said, I’m a devout Episcopalian. Religion’s one of the topics I post about most, and my faith is the most important thing in my life. I’m also a computer programmer and the daughter, sister, and girlfriend of engineers. **Lekatt** has a nasty habit of claiming that anyone who disagrees with him, be it on near-death experiences, Terri Schiavo, or acceptance of evolution is against religion and that science and the scientific method are opposed to and out to destroy religion. He has, more than once, implied that I’m against religion. I’ve been interacting with him for over four years now and seen this time and time again. I think, if I were an atheist, I’d simply write him off as another religious nutcase. Instead, I object to him because he has repeatedly said I must be opposed to religion because of what I believe and accept. For those who aren’t familiar with him, **lekatt** is not Christian (not an insult; merely a statement of fact), nor have I ever seen him name his beliefs. I’m not even sure if he’s monotheistic or polytheistic. He says his beliefs are based in “love” and “truth”, but, as I’ve said, he tends to be very insulting towards those who disagree with him, usually claiming they oppose religion. Since, in my case, this is neither loving (it’s actually quite insulting) nor true, I’d say that makes him a hypocrite. When it comes to specifics, he’s about as easy to pin down as a bowl of jello. **Lekatt** isn’t being Pitted because he’s religious. I’ve been posting on religion for nearly five years now, and I’ve never been Pitted (crosses fingers). He’s being Pitted because he’s insulting and not only refuses to look at evidence which contradicts his beliefs, but says anyone who disagrees with him is against religion, including some of the most religious posters on this message board. Does this help? CJ ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/30 "2005-09-22T10:30:35Z")
> [@Argent Towers](#): > > It seems to me he’s just hit a nerve among those who refuse to accept spirituality of any kind. **lekatt** has failed to present any evidence other than personal anecdotes to support his fanciful claims. I don’t believe in flying saucers either, despite the many silly claims for their existence. I reject any belief system based solely on myth and legend. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/31 "2005-09-22T12:15:20Z")
I’m think this thread title and OP are offensive to idiots. I’ve known and worked with idiots for years, and even have some in my family, and none of them are as stupid and annoying as Lekatt. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/32 "2005-09-22T12:29:26Z")
> [@Argent Towers](#): > > Is this thread basically a pitting of religion and spirituality? > > Because belief in one divine origin is the same as belief in any other divine origin, in my book. I don’t know what this guy’s religion is, but if you’re calling him an idiot because he believes in it, then you’re calling every Muslim and Jew who believes on the planet a liar and fraud. You’re calling every adherent to shamanistic or anamistic religions an idiot. You’re calling everyone not privy to Western science an idiot. That’s a strong statement. You are well intentioned, but I **strongly** advise you to search all of **lekatt** ’s threads/posts. He is nobody you want in your corner in an argument. He is also nobody you ever want to be trapped in an elevator with. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/33 "2005-09-22T13:18:01Z")
> [@Argent Towers](#): > > It seems to me he’s just hit a nerve among those who refuse to accept spirituality of any kind. I think he wouldn’t draw the level of vitriol I see here if his opponents were even mildly spiritual or religious in any sense at all. Just what it seems like to me. Blah. Plenty of people who are religious will gang up on lekatt too. One of the “issues”, other than those already listed, is lekatt ignores facts, misrepresents falsehoods as fact, and also ignores the teachings of almost all religions (making things up as he goes along maybe). Then after getting everyone riled up, it’s the same old “you’re all being mean to me”. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/34 "2005-09-22T14:11:54Z")
I go away for a few hours and this thread turned into a debate on Intelligent Design? I’m glad some of you had my back and returned it to its original purpose, trashing **Lekatt**. However, cricetus is right; the thread is offensive to idiots, as well as morons, fools, cretins, blockheads, and the full panoply of the intellectually subnormal. I took the easy way out and used a word that is short and snappy enough for a title but does not fully describe him as the intellectually lazy, pig-headed, disingenuous, manipulative, lying, and purposely and proudly ignorant jerk he repeatedly demonstrates himself to be. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/35 "2005-09-22T14:35:01Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > He is also nobody you ever want to be trapped in an elevator with. On the other hand, I’ve heard he’s dead sexy! Or is that near dead sexy? ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/36 "2005-09-22T15:02:52Z")
It became clear to me when I saw [this](http://www.aleroy.com/contents.html). Consider the link “How Good are You, a test”. Let that title just sink in for a moment. Feeling a little skeeved? Well, brace yourself, and click on it. You’ll see a series of multiple-choice questions which the creator of the test would have you believe can quantify and qualify your soul. On this page, it’s all about “forgiveness”. Answer a question; but don’t answer it “correctly”. You’ll see loving reminders of your inadequacy like “Wrong! Your score is now 0” “You have already answered that!”, and, my favorite “Access denied! You need nine points to advance to the next level.” So some slob out there in the world has a nocturnal brain fart, and this experience somehow empowered him with the ability to rank the goodness of humanity and make declarations like “Access denied!” What this “next level” I’ve been stiffarmed from quite is I neither know nor want to know, if all that lies withing is a trip into the deeper into the recesses of a patently diseased mind. I must temper my language, as I’m not sure on what perilous ground as a participant in the Dope I might tread if I choose my words poorly, but I’m convinced engaging this creature is, beyond an exercise in futility, willingly allowing onself to fall into the trap of sating his malignant ego, providing him with whatever bizarre sustainance he derives from goading the sane into fruitless dialogue, which only encourages him to manipulate you further while enhancing his skill at doing so. Many with personality disorders become expert at this pathetic game, as its the only distraction they can contrive of themselves temper their own painful feelings of emptyness. Such individuals are to be pitied, truly, but dialectical therapies are best administered in a controlled environment. I’m guessing the guy probably needs help. Meanwhile, you’re beating your head against a very thick wall trying to make things different, and may be inadvertently enraged and diminished in the effort. It’s precisely the sort of effect such borderlines and narcissists are after. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/37 "2005-09-22T15:11:40Z")
Great thundering Jesus, even his cats look insane! ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/38 "2005-09-22T15:16:11Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Great thundering Jesus, even his cats look insane! Looking at this whole site, I have to think Lekatt is the creation of a brilliant satirist. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/39 "2005-09-22T15:21:30Z")
> [@Argent Towers](#): > > It seems to me he’s just hit a nerve among those who refuse to accept spirituality of any kind. I think he wouldn’t draw the level of vitriol I see here if his opponents were even mildly spiritual or religious in any sense at all. Just what it seems like to me. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Please stop (and read his ‘body’ of ‘work’, if you so choose) before you seriously embarrass yourself. > [@Princhester](#): > > Not so fast, there. I will unashamedly own up to having done so and I don’t regret it for a moment. Forgive me if I > > > [@](#): > > > > ([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=4998801](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=4998801)): I meant in this thread, but that’s fair enough. He’s intellectually dishonest, to be sure. And an epic snotbag. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/40 "2005-09-22T15:22:06Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I took the easy way out and used a word that is short and snappy enough for a title but does not fully describe him as the intellectually lazy, pig-headed, disingenuous, manipulative, lying, and purposely and proudly ignorant jerk he repeatedly demonstrates himself to be. And that’s on a _good_ day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763.md?page=3)