# Lekatt, you're an idiot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2005, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763 "2005-09-21T19:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/141 "2005-10-07T22:38:24Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > That would be the very reason to stop saying it, wouldn’t it? From that response, I gather you have no idea what I meant. > [@](#): > > That’s called “disagreement.” Surely you are used to the phenomenon here at SDMB? That is not simple disagreement. **Lekatt** posts things that are verifiably false. He uses huge amounts of logical phallacies. He uses cites that were debunked when he first posted them years ago. > [@](#): > > I don’t disagree that he is not a great debator. But if you try to fix him micro, you are doing the brick wall thing. Fixing the situation macro means not engaging him. Not engaging him means letting his spewings stand unchallenged and risking other people being taken in. > [@](#): > > Right?That’s playground logic. You know better. You asked if I’d stop engaging him and countering his lies. I responded with ‘I’ll stop engaging him and countering his lies when he stops spewing lies on the SDMB’ What **Lekatt** is doing is wrong. Letting his lies stand unopposed and letting others be fooled by him would also be wrong. Countering his posts and exposing him for what he is, is the right thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/142 "2005-10-07T22:46:41Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Point stands. If you are aiming negativity at him long-term, then you are ipso facto responsible for your part in that negativity. And only my part. I agree that I am responsible for my actions. > [@](#): > > Are you not skilled enough to perform your “duty” without the negativity. I am. But, the mods made quit the whole EtherPsychology thing. > [@](#): > > I should like to think that Dopers hold themselves to a higher level.And gleefully insulting him in the pit is not part of that goal, is it? Show me where I “gleefully” insulted him? I genuinely regard **Lekatt** with pity. He’s done himself a great injury. He keeps making it worse. He refuses to let anybody heal him or even acknowledge his condition. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/143 "2005-10-07T22:47:16Z")
Tell me, **Aeschines** , should I have accepted it when my father called me stupid and useless? I did because I had no choice. When **lekatt** says those who support evolution are against religion, I will _not_ lie down and take it because there are far too many people in this country who already believe that to be true. If we are to continue to fight ignorance, sure we are obligated to point out things which are factually incorrect. I don’t think I have insulted **lekatt** recently, tempting though it’s been. I have said how frustrating and infuriating he is. I’ve deliberately stopped short of calling him a “hypocrite” because that would be easy to consider insulting even though it’s something I could make a very good argument for. I enjoy participating in threads on religion and ethics, and I believe I have something to contribute to them. Should I give up something I enjoy because of one obstinate, close-minded poster? Let me give you something I see as a similar situation. I enjoy playing in Euchre tournaments at weekend get-togethers held by an organization I belong to. Over the past several months, one of our members has taken to playing obnoxiously and incompetently while drunk. Should I stop participating or work with the group to get him to see how his behaviour is affecting himself and others? Sorry, **Aeschines**. I’ll be as polite as I possibly can, but I will continue to call him on his behaviour and I’ll continue to warn him when he crosses the line. Maybe one day he will get it, although I won’t bet the mortgage on it. After all, my father did eventually change. Until that time, though, I will use the Pit to say, “I can’t believe he’s doing it _again!_” knowing he doesn’t venture into the Pit. That may, in some ways be a good thing. I have vented about him to friends who don’t post here, but frankly, the folks around here have a much better understanding of what **lekatt** is like! :eek: CJ ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/144 "2005-10-07T23:23:13Z")
**DocCathode** and **Siege** , I did not set out to critique you two as individuals nor your treatment of the Pittee here or in other threads. My suggestions to you apply to everyone on the Dope: **lekatt** won’t change, so let’s deal with the situation macro/long-term in the best way possible. Don’t engage him, use boiler-plate to prevent others from being influenced by him. I’ve said my peace. Love, aeschines (just kidding) ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/145 "2005-10-07T23:52:41Z")
> [@Papermache Prince](#): > > **Lekatt** - to no one’s surprise - has hijacked another potentially interesting thread: [Psychic Detectives, Justice and the Law](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=338246&page=1&pp=20), which originally dealt with the question of the hypothetical effect on the legal system if psychics existed. If a psychic “channelled” a murder victim, would that testimony be admissible in court? Would the word of a psychic be enough to obtain a search warrant? Now the topic is how the NBC show _Medium_ is not an accurate dramatization of how “real” psychics work, while the ABC show _Ghost Whisperer_ is. Thanks again, **lekatt** , you insufferable twit. Yeah. I knew I was summoning lekatt on that one, hence the disclaimers in the OP. I just wanted to discuss an interesting counter-factural situation, brought on by my watching of Medium. Ironically, for once, I was actually interested in lekatt’s opinion on something. Unlike myself or Bricker (who, btw, has done some excellent work in that thread, lekatt’s attempts at derailing aside), lekatt believes in psychics, and I thought he may have had something interesting to add. But no. No he didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2005, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/146 "2005-10-08T02:21:28Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > **DocCathode** and **Siege** , I did not set out to critique you two as individuals nor your treatment of the Pittee here or in other threads. > > My suggestions to you apply to everyone on the Dope: **lekatt** won’t change, so let’s deal with the situation macro/long-term in the best way possible. Don’t engage him, use boiler-plate to prevent others from being influenced by him. Sorry, that’s not this way the board works. While I doubt most rational beings will be taken in by his “proof” that his beliefs are the Truth, he’s much more likely to do harm by spewing against scientists and people who disagree with him. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2005, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/147 "2005-10-08T05:13:54Z")
To expand on what **Guin** just said, it is doubtful whether a single boilerplate **lekatt** -rebutting post scould be crafted, which would readily apply to all situations. I suppose you, **Aeschines** , could try to post one here in this thread, just as a public service, but I wouldn’t blame you if you declined the invitation. At the same time, I might observe that exhorting people to use boilerplate, while declining to craft any, could be seen as just a form of thread-crapping. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2005, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/148 "2005-10-08T06:38:40Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > At the same time, I might observe that exhorting people to use boilerplate, while declining to craft any, could be seen as just a form of thread-crapping. How about you observe your head up your ass? That’s where you’ll find the crap. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2005, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/149 "2005-10-08T07:11:45Z")
😛 (Sorry, this is all the response that last bit merited.) ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2005, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763/150 "2005-10-08T16:06:27Z")
> [@Siege](#): > > Nope. Just a man who doesn’t suffer fools, period! 😃 > > CJ Doesn’t help. I will now always be picturing Siege’s dad as Hagrid. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatt-youre-an-idiot/322763.md?page=7)