# lekatt's recent hijacks (removed from original threads) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 29, 2008, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686 "2008-03-29T02:00:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/101 "2008-04-17T13:29:20Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Also there have been experimental surgeries where the blood has been drained from the patients head for a number of minutes and the patient could still see the whole operation. Still waiting for that non-anecdotal cite, **lekatt**. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/102 "2008-04-17T15:05:40Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] Still waiting for that non-anecdotal cite, **lekatt**. [/QUOTE] None would exist for you. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/103 "2008-04-17T15:16:01Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] None would exist for you. [/QUOTE] I wouldn’t expect an apology, but a retraction of the claim is in order, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/104 "2008-04-17T15:39:31Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] None would exist for you. [/QUOTE] I seriously doubt any exist… period. NDE belongs with UFO’s and ghosts… things that do not exist. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/105 "2008-04-17T16:15:48Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] As for death, there is no such thing. You will continue to live after your body dies, you will never die. [/QUOTE] So if I’m old and senile when I die, will I continue to live on, in this spirit world, being senile? Or will my mind revert back to some younger age? If so, what age would that be? Or perhaps my mind would continue its slide into senility so I’ll spend eternity like a late-term Alzheimer’s victim? What if I had a brain injury that changed my personality? Would I continue in the spirit world with that changed personality? I need to know! ---
**Author:** ![photopat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@photopat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/photopat)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/106 "2008-04-17T16:42:44Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] None would exist for you. [/QUOTE] You know that’s not true Lekatt. You just refuse to accept that your standards of evidence are, at least regarding this subject, nearly nonexistent while the rest of us require real data, not just stories on par with urban legends. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/107 "2008-04-17T18:33:04Z")
[QUOTE=CurtC] So if I’m old and senile when I die, will I continue to live on, in this spirit world, being senile? Or will my mind revert back to some younger age? If so, what age would that be? Or perhaps my mind would continue its slide into senility so I’ll spend eternity like a late-term Alzheimer’s victim? What if I had a brain injury that changed my personality? Would I continue in the spirit world with that changed personality? I need to know! [/QUOTE] You will leave your body as you entered it, in perfect condition. The things you list above can never touch the real you. The eternal “I” is safe from all physical things. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/108 "2008-04-17T18:35:04Z")
[QUOTE=photopat] You know that’s not true Lekatt. You just refuse to accept that your standards of evidence are, at least regarding this subject, nearly nonexistent while the rest of us require real data, not just stories on par with urban legends. [/QUOTE] I am amazed that you can read my mind, know all my thoughts, and answer all questions. You must be truly psychic, but you don’t believe in those things, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/109 "2008-04-17T18:56:41Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] I am amazed that you can read my mind, know all my thoughts, and answer all questions. You must be truly psychic, but you don’t believe in those things, sorry. [/QUOTE] Enough with the snarky non-answers, **lekatt**. Can you back up this factual claim: > [@lekatt](#): > > Also there have been experimental surgeries where the blood has been drained from the patients head for a number of minutes and the patient could still see the whole operation. with a non-anecdotal cite? Yes, or no? ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/110 "2008-04-17T19:27:14Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] You will leave your body as you entered it, in perfect condition. The things you list above can never touch the real you. The eternal “I” is safe from all physical things. [/QUOTE] How did I enter it? At the point I was born? At that time I wasn’t able to speak or understand speech, nor did I know basic principles of math, logic, etc. Or did I “enter” my body at the point of conception, when it was just a fertilized embryo? Or maybe “I” entered my body at the end of the first trimester? Which one of these points in time counts as the real me? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/111 "2008-04-17T19:41:07Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > As for death, there is no such thing. You will continue to live after your body dies, you will never die. Yes, I will. So will everybody. Including you. At some point in the future, your consciousness will end. Awareness, perception, thought, all will cease; the only thing left will be your lifeless body, other people’s memories of you, and any physical records that might have been made. Within a short period of time, the flesh of your lifeless body will decompose. It will take longer for your bones to disintegrate, but eventually they will as well. Similarly, as other people die, direct memories of you will evaporate, leaving only secondhand recollection. Over time, that too will fade, leaving only physical records: writings, photographs, motion pictures and video, sound records, and the like. And in the long run, when the sun swallows the earth, even those recordings, should they manage to survive over the intervening billions of years, will be destroyed. In the long run, there will be absolutely nothing left of you. You’re going to die, LeRoy, same as I am. It’s very sad that you can’t accept it. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/112 "2008-04-17T20:09:09Z")
[QUOTE=CurtC] How did I enter it? At the point I was born? At that time I wasn’t able to speak or understand speech, nor did I know basic principles of math, logic, etc. Or did I “enter” my body at the point of conception, when it was just a fertilized embryo? Or maybe “I” entered my body at the end of the first trimester? Which one of these points in time counts as the real me? [/QUOTE] I am told that is your choice, but most enter just before birth. However, there are those that enter shortly after conception. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/113 "2008-04-17T20:13:58Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] Yes, I will. So will everybody. Including you. At some point in the future, your consciousness will end. Awareness, perception, thought, all will cease; the only thing left will be your lifeless body, other people’s memories of you, and any physical records that might have been made. Within a short period of time, the flesh of your lifeless body will decompose. It will take longer for your bones to disintegrate, but eventually they will as well. Similarly, as other people die, direct memories of you will evaporate, leaving only secondhand recollection. Over time, that too will fade, leaving only physical records: writings, photographs, motion pictures and video, sound records, and the like. And in the long run, when the sun swallows the earth, even those recordings, should they manage to survive over the intervening billions of years, will be destroyed. In the long run, there will be absolutely nothing left of you. You’re going to die, LeRoy, same as I am. It’s very sad that you can’t accept it. [/QUOTE] I have already been there, so have millions of others, I am not guessing, I know. But if you wish to believe in death, I will not stop you from doing so. Something I have trouble understanding, we have solid evidence of life after death, but some reject it, why? I love my life, how do you feel about yours? ---
**Author:** ![photopat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@photopat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/photopat)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/114 "2008-04-17T20:22:05Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] I am amazed that you can read my mind, know all my thoughts, and answer all questions. You must be truly psychic, but you don’t believe in those things, sorry. [/QUOTE] Not psychic, just observant. If you’ve read any of the responses in any of these threads then you _should_ know that the rest of us require more stringent claims than you _repeatedly_ offer as proof. Yet you refuse to offer anything stronger. ---
**Author:** ![photopat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@photopat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/photopat)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/115 "2008-04-17T20:26:09Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] Something I have trouble understanding, we have solid evidence of life after death, but some reject it, why? I love my life, how do you feel about yours? [/QUOTE] What does one have to do with the other? First, no we don’t and second, yes some do. Third, so do I, but regardless of …no, _ **because** _ it will end one day. Life is a precious thing and we should make the most of it while we have it, because one day it’ll run out. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/116 "2008-04-17T20:31:49Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] I have already been there, so have millions of others, I am not guessing, I know. But if you wish to believe in death, I will not stop you from doing so. Something I have trouble understanding, we have solid evidence of life after death, but some reject it, why? I love my life, how do you feel about yours? [/QUOTE] A long time ago, I told you that whenever you claim to have had an NDE, I would be right there to inform the populace that what you actually had, _according to your own written testimony_, was a bad dream about death followed by a self-diagnosis(not backed up by any medical personnel) of a possible heart attack. I have not forgotten my pledge. By any definition of the term known to man, you did not have an NDE. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/117 "2008-04-17T20:36:09Z")
[QUOTE=CurtC] How did I enter it? At the point I was born? At that time I wasn’t able to speak or understand speech, nor did I know basic principles of math, logic, etc. Or did I “enter” my body at the point of conception, when it was just a fertilized embryo? Or maybe “I” entered my body at the end of the first trimester? Which one of these points in time counts as the real me? [/QUOTE] I should have added this link to my post for you to look over. > **[Prebirthexperience](https://prebirthexperience.com/)** > > Temukan informasi lengkap tentang judi sabung ayam dan sejarah judi sabung ayam di Prebirthexperience. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/118 "2008-04-17T20:40:00Z")
[QUOTE=photopat] What does one have to do with the other? First, no we don’t and second, yes some do. Third, so do I, but regardless of …no, _ **because** _ it will end one day. Life is a precious thing and we should make the most of it while we have it, because one day it’ll run out. [/QUOTE] I told you it is ok to believe what you will. There are billions of people who don’t believe as you do and I am one of them. Not necessary to attempt to convince me. After all we shall all know the answer someday. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/119 "2008-04-17T20:43:24Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] A long time ago, I told you that whenever you claim to have had an NDE, I would be right there to inform the populace that what you actually had, _according to your own written testimony_, was a bad dream about death followed by a self-diagnosis(not backed up by any medical personnel) of a possible heart attack. I have not forgotten my pledge. By any definition of the term known to man, you did not have an NDE. [/QUOTE] Another surprise, one who was miles away when the event happened knows all. Harass if you must, take all the time you need. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686/120 "2008-04-17T21:00:55Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] I should have added this link to my post for you to look over. > **[Prebirthexperience](https://prebirthexperience.com/)** > > Temukan informasi lengkap tentang judi sabung ayam dan sejarah judi sabung ayam di Prebirthexperience. [/QUOTE] More anecdotes. Do you know what a non-anecdotal cite is? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-recent-hijacks-removed-from-original-threads/444686.md?page=7)