# Lekatt's Thread: The \*only\* place to find out about Lekatt's beliefs! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 7, 2010, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273 "2010-04-07T14:05:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/1 "2010-04-07T14:05:30Z")
To avoid derailing the Terry Schiavo thread any further, here it is: a place to take any attempts at discussion that spiral too close to the singularity that is this particular subject. To start: > [@Terri Schiavo + 5 years](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terri-schiavo-5-years/533872/268): > > Even though you’re not in Bob’s body, would you acknowledge that completely severing the link between Bob’s brain (or his soul) and Bob’s arm means he can no longer feel anything that happens to it? > > _That_ is our argument for why she couldn’t feel anything: the destruction of her brain either destroyed her, or severed her link to her body. Either way, the effect is the same. > [@Terri Schiavo + 5 years](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terri-schiavo-5-years/533872/270): > > Your argument fails to acknowledge that the brain is not the soul, nor the mind, nor the spirit, nor the consciousness of a human being. **Lekatt** , as you can see, my argument specifically catered to your belief in the spirit. If the spirit exists, and possesses some link with the human body that allows it to control and sense the body, do you agree that this link is via the brain? And if so, do you agree that destroying the brain would sever this link? ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/2 "2010-04-07T14:33:23Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > To avoid derailing the Terry Schiavo thread any further, here it is: a place to take any attempts at discussion that spiral too close to the singularity that is this particular subject. > > To start: > **Lekatt** , as you can see, my argument specifically catered to your belief in the spirit. > > If the spirit exists, and possesses some link with the human body that allows it to control and sense the body, do you agree that this link is via the brain? > > And if so, do you agree that destroying the brain would sever this link? I can’t agree because I don’t know how the consciousness is connected to the brain. I have said the brain is an interface for the spirit. But just how this takes place I don’t know. That is why some people “wake up” after being dead for hours and others never wake up. During near death experiences many experiencers are sent back to their bodies to finish their lives. This can happen after the doctors have given up any hope for them. Her brain was not totally destroyed, but even if it was, there are no limitations in the spirit world. It would not be the first time someone survived a fatal accident. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/3 "2010-04-07T14:35:41Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > That is why some people “wake up” after being dead for hours… Cite from a reputable source, please(no anonymous blogs from your website). ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/4 "2010-04-07T14:37:27Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > It would not be the first time someone survived a fatal accident. _Blink_ At the risk of cliche, I don’t think that word means what you think it means. ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/5 "2010-04-07T14:38:27Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I can’t agree because I don’t know how the consciousness is connected to the brain. I have said the brain is an interface for the spirit. But just how this takes place I don’t know. That is why some people “wake up” after being dead for hours and others never wake up. During near death experiences many experiencers are sent back to their bodies to finish their lives. This can happen after the doctors have given up any hope for them. > > Her brain was not totally destroyed, but even if it was, there are no limitations in the spirit world. It would not be the first time someone survived a fatal accident. If we posit the existence of another non-physical plane of being, then we must analyze the mechanism by which this plane of existence can interact with our physical plane. Typically, the mechanism is held to be the consciousness of an entity, and as far as we can tell, this mechanism is mediated by neural activity. If neural activity is unavailable, then how can the posited non-physical plane interact? That is, without a brain, how can a spirit be attached to a body and ‘animate’ it? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/6 "2010-04-07T15:14:21Z")
Except there WAS no brain, **lekatt**. Only liquid. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/7 "2010-04-07T15:14:37Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I have said the brain is an interface for the spirit. So if the brain is gone, as in the case of Terri Schiavo, there is nothing connecting this hypothesized “spirit” to the physical world? Then why were you so dead-set on keeping her body artificially alive? ---
**Author:** ![statsman1982](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@statsman1982](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statsman1982)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/8 "2010-04-07T16:07:22Z")
I don’t think we’re going to get much more than “I don’t know how or why, but I know I’m right because the soul is real. I know because I know” from **lekatt**. People like this remain unconvinced regardless of the mountain of evidence contrary to their opinions. Belief in the supernatural allows one a convenient response to any challenge, viz., “The spirit world is not bound by your scientific instruments and ‘experts’. The soul cannot be measured, so of course it will appear as if there is nothing there but the most basic life-sustaining brain tissue. But the soul is there, so it doesn’t matter.” Okay, it may be fun to teaseout\*\* lekatt\*\*'s opinions, but don’t expect it to go anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/9 "2010-04-07T16:28:36Z")
Link to leakatt’s website for benefit of any lurkers: [http://aleroy.com/](http://aleroy.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/10 "2010-04-07T16:36:20Z")
**lekatt** , please answer this simple question: if doctors are not qualified to determine when a patient is dead, shouldn’t we continue to offer medical care until the body is obviously decomposing? ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/11 "2010-04-07T16:37:51Z")
We already know all about **lekatt’s** beliefs. What we need is a thread called ‘Lekatt’s evidence’. I’m pretty sure it would be a short thread. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/12 "2010-04-07T16:44:17Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > We already know all about **lekatt’s** beliefs. What we need is a thread called ‘Lekatt’s evidence’. I’m pretty sure it would be a short thread. Technically impossible, since you cannot start a thread that doesn’t have at least _one_ post. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/13 "2010-04-07T16:45:52Z")
_ahem_ Aren’t we still in GD? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/14 "2010-04-07T16:56:22Z")
Sign says yes, but it sure doesn’t smell like it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/15 "2010-04-07T17:00:40Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > During near death experiences many experiencers are sent back to their bodies to finish their lives. This can happen after the doctors have given up any hope for them. > [@lekatt](#): > > Her brain was not totally destroyed, but even if it was, there are no limitations in the spirit world. > [@lekatt](#): > > It would not be the first time someone survived a fatal accident. Cites for any and/or all of these statements of fact, please. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/16 "2010-04-07T17:03:00Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I can’t agree because I don’t know how the consciousness is connected to the brain. I have said the brain is an interface for the spirit. But just how this takes place I don’t know. You actually also don’t know that there is a spirit. There is zero evidence for anything that silly, yet you still believe it. Why is that? > [@](#): > > That is why some people “wake up” after being dead for hours and others never wake up. Someone was lying to you when they told you that. > [@](#): > > During near death experiences many experiencers are sent back to their bodies to finish their lives. This can happen after the doctors have given up any hope for them. In a world of billions, someone will survive after a doctor has written them off. > [@](#): > > Her brain was not totally destroyed, but even if it was, there are no limitations in the spirit world. There isn’t a spirit world. It’s a fantasy you’re pretending is real. Basing public policy on fantasies isn’t a good idea. What if someone has their head sheared off by a helicopter blade? Should we keep them on a heart-lung machine… you know, in case their spirit decides to re-animate their body? > [@](#): > > It would not be the first time someone survived a fatal accident. You owe it to yourself to look up the word fatal before you make such an embarrassing assertion again. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/17 "2010-04-07T17:03:58Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > **lekatt** , please answer this simple question: if doctors are not qualified to determine when a patient is dead, shouldn’t we continue to offer medical care until the body is obviously decomposing? A body is dead when there is no heart or brain activity. But the consciousness controlling the body is never dead. So sure yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/18 "2010-04-07T17:04:04Z")
If you thought there was hope of her waking up before they removed the feeding tube, why isn’t there still hope of that now? I mean, if her soul is all that matters, and that’s still intact, mightn’t her remains wake up and crawl out of her coffin or urn or wherever she is? ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/19 "2010-04-07T17:07:12Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > We already know all about **lekatt’s** beliefs. What we need is a thread called ‘Lekatt’s evidence’. I’m pretty sure it would be a short thread. Not my evidence. The evidence of dozens of scientific researchers working at a dozen or more universities. Yes, they are doctors, and yes their finding have been published in scientific journals. Strickly by the books. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/20 "2010-04-07T17:09:03Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If you thought there was hope of her waking up before they removed the feeding tube, why isn’t there still hope of that now? I mean, if her soul is all that matters, and that’s still intact, mightn’t her remains wake up and crawl out of her coffin or urn or wherever she is? Has happened before, they used to put a string to a bell in the graveyard so if the bell rang they could dig up the person still alive. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273.md?page=2)