# Lekatt's Thread: The \*only\* place to find out about Lekatt's beliefs! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 7, 2010, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273 "2010-04-07T14:05:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/181 "2010-04-11T02:06:09Z")
Lekatt, what are the practical differences between your belief system in which CUs are held together by love, and the Christian belief system in which God is love (1 John 4:16)? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/182 "2010-04-11T04:04:52Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I do not hear voices, said that already. So then HOW do you communicate? Seriously, **lekatt** , I’m not making fun of you – I’m genuinely curious. Dreams? Inspiration? Meditation? (However, if pencils are “conscious”, does that mean that it’s cruel to sharpen them? ;)) ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/183 "2010-04-11T07:51:29Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > So then HOW do you communicate? Seriously, **lekatt** , I’m not making fun of you – I’m genuinely curious. Dreams? Inspiration? Meditation? > > (However, if pencils are “conscious”, does that mean that it’s cruel to sharpen them? ;)) Mental telepathy, thought to thought, I ask, and they answer. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/184 "2010-04-11T07:55:40Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Lekatt, what are the practical differences between your belief system in which CUs are held together by love, and the Christian belief system in which God is love (1 John 4:16)? Read this link I think it will help > **[Creation - Lekatt Thoughtful Living](https://aleroy.com/blog/archives/1073/creation)** > > Everything is energy, E=mc2. All energy is sentient, conscious. All consciousness is sentient energy. All configurations of consciousness are held together by an attractive force called Love. The sum total of everything, is the Creator, sometimes... ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/185 "2010-04-11T12:34:58Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Read this link I think it will help > > [Creation - Lekatt Thoughtful Living](http://www.aleroy.com/blog/2009/06/creation/) Your website looks like non-denominational Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/186 "2010-04-11T15:52:53Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Your website looks like non-denominational Christianity. I am not a Christian, but I am a follower of Jesus’ teachings. The important difference is I and my site are positive, and much of Christianity teaches negative concepts. Science also teaches negative concepts. When you switch from negative to positive your life changes forever. That is what a near death experience does for you. It is really simple. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/187 "2010-04-11T17:41:55Z")
Belief is a coping mechanism that our brain uses to help us make sense of the unintelligible. For example, an inexplicable disaster occurs, or an inexplicable miracle occurs, so it must be god’s will. A person has a brain disruption, such as a neurotransmitter disruption causing the sensation of a presence or of broad comprehension, so it must be a revelation of god or of a higher truth. This sort of coping mechanism is just a feature of the human brain trying to make sense of things that are nonsensical. It does not make the epiphany true. When people experience religious epiphanies, the epiphanies tend to reflect the culture of which they are already a part, or in which they are involved at the time of the epiphany. Thus the epiphanies of people raised in a Christian culture tend to reflect Christianity; people raised in a Hindu culture tend to reflect Hinduism, etc. (Based on your – lekatt’s – subjective NDE experiences and how you have coped with them by building a structure that melds nondenominational Christianity with atomos/atomics, it wouldn’t surprise me you were an American teenager in the 50s, but that’s just a guess on my part.) It is not that any one religion or spiritual belief is true, but rather that when a person experiences an inexplicable event, such as a sensed presence or broad comprehension, the person’s brain will try to make sense of it, sometimes including creating a spiritual belief. You believe that what your sense is true. That does not mean that what you believe is true, any more than your perceiving a mirage in a hot desert means that what you see actually exists in the air where you see it. Here is where we get into trouble, for when people strongly believe that what they believe is true, but the belief is based on a coping mechanism of the brain rather than on objective reality, there is a great risk that bad decisions will be made. The very powerful nature of the spiritual experience also leads to a great risk of people pressing on others to accept their belief. A point in case is your belief system that your brain formed for you out of your religious, cultural, and epiphanic background, that has lead you to developing an ethical code in which a brainless woman’s remaining body should be kept functioning despite her not wanting this, and in which you are compelled to proselytise. For more on this sort of thing, check out: [TVO Today | Current Affairs Journalism, Documentaries and Podcasts](http://www.tvo.org/TVOsites/WebObjects/TvoMicrosite.woa?bi?1146330000000) and read up on neurotheology and the effects of disturbances on neurotransmitters (e.g. chemicals or possibly magnetism). ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/188 "2010-04-11T19:07:28Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I am not a Christian, but I am a follower of Jesus’ teachings. The important difference is I and my site are positive, and much of Christianity teaches negative concepts. Science also teaches negative concepts. When you switch from negative to positive your life changes forever. That is what a near death experience does for you. It is really simple. If you are a follower of Christ, then you are by definition a Christian. I can relate to not wanting to take that name, since there are so many nasty things done these days in the name of Christianity, but I personally refuse to allow them to take that name away from me. Can you expand upon what you mean by “science teaches negative concepts”? ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/189 "2010-04-11T20:15:07Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Belief is a coping mechanism that our brain uses to help us make sense of the unintelligible. For example, an inexplicable disaster occurs, or an inexplicable miracle occurs, so it must be god’s will. A person has a brain disruption, such as a neurotransmitter disruption causing the sensation of a presence or of broad comprehension, so it must be a revelation of god or of a higher truth. This sort of coping mechanism is just a feature of the human brain trying to make sense of things that are nonsensical. It does not make the epiphany true. > > When people experience religious epiphanies, the epiphanies tend to reflect the culture of which they are already a part, or in which they are involved at the time of the epiphany. Thus the epiphanies of people raised in a Christian culture tend to reflect Christianity; people raised in a Hindu culture tend to reflect Hinduism, etc. (Based on your – lekatt’s – subjective NDE experiences and how you have coped with them by building a structure that melds nondenominational Christianity with atomos/atomics, it wouldn’t surprise me you were an American teenager in the 50s, but that’s just a guess on my part.) It is not that any one religion or spiritual belief is true, but rather that when a person experiences an inexplicable event, such as a sensed presence or broad comprehension, the person’s brain will try to make sense of it, sometimes including creating a spiritual belief. You believe that what your sense is true. That does not mean that what you believe is true, any more than your perceiving a mirage in a hot desert means that what you see actually exists in the air where you see it. > > Here is where we get into trouble, for when people strongly believe that what they believe is true, but the belief is based on a coping mechanism of the brain rather than on objective reality, there is a great risk that bad decisions will be made. The very powerful nature of the spiritual experience also leads to a great risk of people pressing on others to accept their belief. A point in case is your belief system that your brain formed for you out of your religious, cultural, and epiphanic background, that has lead you to developing an ethical code in which a brainless woman’s remaining body should be kept functioning despite her not wanting this, and in which you are compelled to proselytise. > > For more on this sort of thing, check out: [TVO Today | Current Affairs Journalism, Documentaries and Podcasts](http://www.tvo.org/TVOsites/WebObjects/TvoMicrosite.woa?bi?1146330000000) and read up on neurotheology and the effects of disturbances on neurotransmitters (e.g. chemicals or possibly magnetism). I carefully read what you posted. I believe the thing you don’t understand is what you wrote is all opinion, none of it is provable. It is merely the secular explanation of spiritual experiences and nothing more. No one really know what throughts, beliefs, or emotions are being carried by neurotransmitters or if anything at all is being carried by such. Your faith lies in believing this sort of science explanation and mine don’t. I really experienced what I saw and could see the reality of it when I came back to the physical. Where there is no way possible that you can know the reality of your explanation. I will post a list of things that happen during a near death experience. This is not my list but one compiled by the International Association of Near Death Studies. Dr. Bruce Grayson is a member of that organization, the one whose video I posted earlier. > [@](#): > > –Strong decrease or complete loss of the fear of death as the result of their NDEs. > > –Believe that there is life after death. > > –NDErs, including suicide attempters do not generally attempt to take their lives again. > > –Spiritual growth, a loving attitude, knowing a Higher Power/God, inner peace and a sense of purpose in life characterize the changes most meaningful to NDErs. > > –Strong increase in their concern for others, and that life has meaning or purpose. > > –Increase in psychic phenomena or healing abilities following their NDEs. > > –Greater ecological sensitivity and planetary concern. > > –Increased physical sensitivity, diminished tolerance to light, alcohol and drugs. > > –The average NDEr comes to regard him or herself as “an immortal soul currently resident within a material form so lessons can be learned while sojourning in the earthplane.” > > –A feeling that the brain has been “altered” to encompass “more”, and a feeling that one is now using the “whole brain” rather than just a small part. > > –Energy surges up and down the body happen to many, and can be accompanied by “lights” in the air. Researchers usually regard this as the release of “kundalini” (a Sanskrit term meaning “coiled energy at the base of the spine”). > > –Electrical sensitivity refers to a condition whereby the forcefield or energy around an individual affects nearby electrical equipment and technological devices. Put these through your neurotranxmitters. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/190 "2010-04-11T20:20:40Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > If you are a follower of Christ, then you are by definition a Christian. I can relate to not wanting to take that name, since there are so many nasty things done these days in the name of Christianity, but I personally refuse to allow them to take that name away from me. > > Can you expand upon what you mean by “science teaches negative concepts”? I said I was a follower of Jesus, not the Christ or the Messiah. Jesus was believed to be the Christ by the crowds, but came only to teach and heal. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/191 "2010-04-11T20:23:21Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I really experienced what I saw and could see the reality of it when I came back to the physical. This makes no sense. According to your own website, what you had was a bad dream, _not_ an NDE. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/192 "2010-04-11T20:29:40Z")
Negativity is so strong in our society and world that most people think it is normal and embrace it as normal. Most, if not all, human organizations teach positive and negative concepts. They teach what they do and what they stand for in positive language, and what they are against and don’t believe in, in negative language. This only perpetuates negativity. Jesus taught love your enemies, love everyone. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/193 "2010-04-11T20:33:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > This makes no sense. According to your own website, what you had was a bad dream, _not_ an NDE. I will quote from my website on my NDE. > [@](#): > > About 2:00 a.m. **I awoke feeling very strange.** I couldn’t see anything, but felt an energy or electric-like current running all through me. Also felt someone close to my right shoulder. I thought this was my wife, but soon determined the bed, with my wife in it, was far below me, and to my left. Wanting to find out who this presence was at my shoulder I tried to turn around. A voice said: “Please go back to sleep.” It was a male voice that seemed to originate within my thoughts or mind. For those who wish to read the rest of it: > **[My NDE, quick to read.](https://aleroy.com/Ndee.htm)** > > My NDE, quick to read. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/194 "2010-04-11T20:36:34Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I will quote from my website on my NDE. > > For those who wish to read the rest of it: > > [My NDE, quick to read.](http://aleroy.com/Ndee.htm) I missed the part where you were in the hospital and a medical professional declared that you almost died. You know-the necessary “Near Death” part of the NDE. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/195 "2010-04-11T20:47:08Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > If you are a follower of Christ, then you are by definition a Christian. I can relate to not wanting to take that name, since there are so many nasty things done these days in the name of Christianity, but I personally refuse to allow them to take that name away from me. Not at all. You can follow the teachings of the (probably) historic figure referred to as Jesus Christ without accepting him as your lord and savior. Even self-described Christians selectively follow the teachings ascribed to him. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/196 "2010-04-11T21:10:16Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I will quote from my website on my NDE.[My NDE, quick to read.](http://aleroy.com/Ndee.htm) You claim that the sameness of what you call “genuine” NDEs show that there must be something to them, and yet I don’t recall seeing any NDE reports that are similar to your own in any way. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/197 "2010-04-11T21:22:00Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I missed the part where you were in the hospital and a medical professional declared that you almost died. > You know-the necessary “Near Death” part of the NDE. I never went to the Hospital, I declined the surgery. Only a small percentage of near death experiences actually happen in the Hospital. They happen wherever the trauma occurred that caused the temporary death of the experiencer. > **[personal info, for the curious](https://aleroy.com/Person.htm)** > > Personal info, for the curious. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/198 "2010-04-11T21:32:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You claim that the sameness of what you call “genuine” NDEs show that there must be something to them, and yet I don’t recall seeing any NDE reports that are similar to your own in any way. Here is another list of NDE characteristics > [@](#): > > Intense emotions: commonly of profound peace, well-being, love; others marked by fear, horror, loss > > A perception of seeing one’s body from above (called an out-of-body experience, or OBE), sometimes watching medical resuscitation efforts or moving instantaneously to other places > > Rapid movement through darkness, often toward an indescribable light > A sense of being “somewhere else,” in a landscape that may seem like a spiritual realm or world > > Incredibly rapid, sharp thinking and observations > > Encounter with deceased loved ones, possibly sacred figures (the Judges, Jesus, a saint) or unrecognized beings, with whom communication is mind-to-mind; these figures may seem consoling, loving, or terrifying > > A life review, reliving actions and feeling their emotional impact on others > > In some cases, a flood of knowledge about life and the nature of the universe > > Sometimes a decision to return to the body Since no two experiences are exactly alike, so there are different lists of characteristics. Good idea to read a couple of hundred experiences before claiming to know about them. . ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/199 "2010-04-11T22:03:47Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I never went to the Hospital, I declined the surgery. Only a small percentage of near death experiences actually happen in the Hospital. They happen wherever the trauma occurred that caused the temporary death of the experiencer. > > [personal info, for the curious](http://aleroy.com/Person.htm) You never went to a hospital. No doctor declared that you were near death. You were disturbed when you went to bed. You either had a waking dream(most likely) or a visitation from an otherworldly entity. You woke up the next morning. No NDE. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/200 "2010-04-11T22:05:32Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Here is another list of NDE characteristics > > Since no two experiences are exactly alike, so there are different lists of characteristics. > > Good idea to read a couple of hundred experiences before claiming to know about them. > . You forgot “nearly dying” in that list-the one aspect that is in all the experiences _except_ yours. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273.md?page=11)