# Lekatt's Thread: The \*only\* place to find out about Lekatt's beliefs! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 7, 2010, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273 "2010-04-07T14:05:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/141 "2010-04-10T12:06:16Z")
lekatt, is there any reason that CUs should not be used for commercial purposes? E.g. [The Transformers, season 3, episode 16](http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Webworld): > [@](#): > > “Before we start, there are certain formalities. Does the patient have a service contract with us?” > (Cyclonus shakes his head.) > “Then we’ll require a credit reference. I believe we can waive the customary deposit. But should the patient require permanent care, payment will be made in consciousness units rather than conventional currency.” > “Erm, what I want to know is --” > “Do you understand and AGREE to these terms?” > “Yes, yes.” > “Then, if you’ll validate the forms right here.” > (Cyclonus signs.) > “And here for diagnostics.” > (Cyclonus signs.) > “And for therapeutics.” > (Cyclonus signs.) > “And one for parts and labor.” > (Cyclonus signs.) > “And accounting.” > (Cyclonus signs.) > “And there. That’s your copy.” > (Cyclonus rips his copy.) > — A Torkuli shows Cyclonus just how messed up the health care system is ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/142 "2010-04-10T12:12:04Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > This is the forum for witnessing, and this is the forum for challenging/debating people who are witnessing. As long as the tone is acceptable to the standards in GD (e.g. no personal insults, etc.), you should not close the thread again. > > Please remember that the “silliness” of lekatt’s beliefs is no more and no less silly than your own Christian beliefs. This is the forum for debate, not for people talking past each other, so your first point is irrelevant to this thread to this point. Your second point is also irrelevant to this thread. I have never shut down any thread because I disagreed with the premise of one side or the other of any discussion. If this thread is locked, again, it will be because posters on one or both sides have chosen to ignore each other while edging closer and closer to badgering and insults. If you believe that I should leave open a thread simply so that I can have the “fun” of repeatedly having to read increasingly hostile posts when there is no actual discussion involved, you are simply wrong. [/Modding] ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/143 "2010-04-10T12:26:43Z")
If you think that certain posters are talking past each other, or are being hostile, then please speak with those posters. Do not close the thread in which posters are enquiring as to lekatt’s beliefs and the grounds for those beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/144 "2010-04-10T12:27:10Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Perhaps I’m wrong on this but I’m getting the impression that **lekatt** just plain doesn’t want to believe in death of the brain nor even of decay of the brain. Near death, on the other hand, is a different story. So, it really doesn’t seem like a fruitful endeavor to discuss someone whose brain is dead or gone (such as Ms. Schiavo) with him. > > _On edit_: **lekatt** , could you perhaps link to something besides your own blog? I can’t say about the condition of Ms. Schiavo"s brain. I don’t believe anyone can know for sure. I quote from my site because that is where I have stored the material I present to the public. Not all of the material has been written by me, I would guess less than half are actually my writings. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/145 "2010-04-10T12:32:36Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > lekatt, why is any one collection of CUs better than any other collection of CUs? > > Is one person better than another person? > > Is a person better than a rock composed of the same number of CUs? I would guess the larger the number of CUs the more intelligent the consciousness, the more you learn and understand the more CUs. This is just an opinion. Whether some CUs are more desirable than others are unknown. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/146 "2010-04-10T12:34:57Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > lekatt, is there any reason that CUs should not be used for commercial purposes? E.g. [The Transformers, season 3, episode 16](http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Webworld): Funny by not practical, we will have to isolate the units first. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/147 "2010-04-10T12:38:16Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I would guess the larger the number of CUs the more intelligent the consciousness, the more you learn and understand the more CUs. This is just an opinion. Whether some CUs are more desirable than others are unknown. Is the sun more intelligent than the moon? (Bearing in mind that in some belief sytems the sun god is more powerful than the moon god.) Does the sun have a greater level of consciousness than the moon? Is there a difference between leval of intelligence and level of consciousness? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/148 "2010-04-10T12:39:51Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Funny by not practical, we will have to isolate the units first. Isolate CUs from commercial use, or isolate CUs for commercial use? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/149 "2010-04-10T12:43:26Z")
When atoms are busted or smooshed together (e.g. fission or fusion), does it harm CUs? Are there certain groupings of CUs that are good or bad? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/150 "2010-04-10T13:39:51Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > This is the forum for debate, not for people talking past each other… Talking past each each other is the very definition of witnessing. Is this still the forum for witnessing? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/151 "2010-04-10T13:47:43Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > The source lies within you, and can be found by practice. That’s pretty bad advice. I frequently get bad guidance from sources inside myself, so i find the only way to improve my judgement and make better choices is to find sources outside of myself. In my experience, I have found that the scientific method is the best way to determine which sources are reliable. So far, no sources for religion and spirituality have cleared that bar. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/152 "2010-04-10T13:48:23Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > When atoms are busted or smooshed together (e.g. fission or fusion), does it harm CUs? > > Are there certain groupings of CUs that are good or bad? In answer to all of your questions: I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/153 "2010-04-10T13:52:59Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > That’s pretty bad advice. I frequently get bad guidance from sources inside myself, so i find the only way to improve my judgement and make better choices is to find sources outside of myself. In my experience, I have found that the scientific method is the best way to determine which sources are reliable. So far, no sources for religion and spirituality have cleared that bar. I personally have found that to be very good advice, so we disagree on this. As for the scientific method it lacks the ability to test personal experiences, but that doesn’t make personal experiences any less true or real. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/154 "2010-04-10T13:59:48Z")
So how do you distinguish between bad guidance and good guidance from within? ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/155 "2010-04-10T14:09:28Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > So if it could be shown that consciousness operates independently of the brain and body would that mean there is magic or spiritual elements to consciousness? Show it. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/156 "2010-04-10T14:13:12Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So how do you distinguish between bad guidance and good guidance from within? By its peace and calm. Or by feelings, there is an overriding law that governs all spiritual activity, it is the law of love. If the advice fits it is ok, if not then don’t act on it. It is really very easy with a little practice. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/157 "2010-04-10T14:17:21Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > Show it. I posted a link previously that shows a lot of the research where evidence is shown that consciousness and brain are two separate entities. You can find it in post #37. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/158 "2010-04-10T14:20:19Z")
I do not trust my feelings. In my experience, they have been the source of most of my problems in my life. Things that seem like a good idea at the time invariably turn out to be _What The Hell Was I Thinking?_ moments. I would still be an alcoholic if I used your yardstick to guide my judgement; I love beer, so it must be good, right? ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/159 "2010-04-10T14:21:32Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I posted a link previously that shows a lot of the research where evidence is shown that consciousness and brain are two separate entities. You can find it in post #37. Saw your post. Did not see evidence. Explain what it was you expected I would see. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/160 "2010-04-10T17:12:15Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I can’t say about the condition of Ms. Schiavo"s brain. So you’re now admitting that everything you posted in the other threads about the poor woman is groundless and your accusations against her poor husband were slander? > [@](#): > > I don’t believe anyone can know for sure. Well, competent doctors can know for sure that when the brain’s deteriorated it’s deteriorated. > [@](#): > > I quote from my site because that is where I have stored the material I present to the public. I seriously doubt that’s the reason. It seems to me that the reason you post links to that blog is that’s where you’ve conveniently added the stuff that fits your agenda. > [@](#): > > Not all of the material has been written by me, I would guess less than half are actually my writings. So about half of it is your agenda-ridden posts? Wow, that’s quite a scientific powerhouse there! Anyway, the stuff that you didn’t write had to come from somewhere. Post a direct link to wherever it is you found it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273.md?page=9)